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Reply 80
Original post by Radicalathiest
No not really

you made a calim I asked for your proof. This is usually how it works.

I said I can counter your proof when you offer it and I will when you offer your proof.

If you have none just say it's rhetoric and move on


Firstly its claim *

Secondly i didn't say i had proof but you did. I didn't say i have statistics but you did.

But you are not carrying it out by providing it. So I'll do the same for your claim and say that its rhetoric. Kthanksbye
Original post by Silver Arrows
People die every day. /CaptainObvious


So you don't care at all that someone was murdered just because of the religion they followed, or even if she wasn't murdered due to her religion she was still murdered. No matter what the motive is, murder a pretty sad and atrocious thing to hear about and it really makes me lose my hope in humanity.

My deepest condolences go out to the poor girls family :frown: may Allah give them sabr.
Original post by Rosie786
Firstly its claim *

Secondly i didn't say i had proof but you did. I didn't say i have statistics but you did.

But you are not carrying it out by providing it. So I'll do the same for your claim that its rhetoric. Kthanksbye


So it's just rhetoric then

I do not feel the need to counter empty rhetoric

If you have proof for your 'claim' then provide it otherwise just admit its empty and meaningless as it's not true (if it was you could provide evidence to verify the 'claim')

and I said I could provide evidence to show your facts to be wrong, as you have failed to provide any evidence I do not feel the need to show you how wrong you are (you know you are so just admit it and move on)
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Original post by tammie123
So you don't care at all that someone was murdered just because of the religion they followed, or even if she wasn't murdered due to her religion she was still murdered. No matter what the motive is, murder a pretty sad and atrocious thing to hear about and it really makes me lose my hope in humanity.

My deepest condolences go out to the poor girls family :frown: may Allah give them sabr.


Nope. Don't care. It doesn't affect me. **** happens.
Reply 84
Original post by Radicalathiest
So it's just rhetoric then

I do not feel the need to counter empty rhetoric

If you have proof for your 'claim' then provide it otherwise just admit its empty and meaningless as it's not true (if it was you could provide evidence to verify the 'claim')

and I said I could provide evidence to show your facts to be wrong, as you have failed to provide any evidence I do not feel the need to show you how wrong you are (you know you are so just admit it and move on)


I am sorry to say that your intellectual level is so low that you are not understanding what someone is saying. Just admit that and move on.
Original post by tammie123
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Sorry to burst your bubble but the vast majority of people don't give that much of a **** about the premature death of one woman, regardless of what they say in public. Millions of people die unjust deaths every single day. Does that mean we should all walk around depressed? Absolutely not. Everybody would prefer a world in which **** doesn't happen but the reality is most people won't lose sleep, or feel any sadness at all, about the death of a single woman. Most people are only deeply saddened by the deaths of those close to them. This doesn't make the "cold, compassion-less excuses for human beings" it makes them normal. It is difficult to truly empathise with people who we do not know nor truly care about.
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Original post by stefl14
Sorry to burst your bubble but the vast majority of people don't give that much of a **** about the premature death of one woman, regardless of what they say in public. Millions of people die unjust deaths every single day. Does that mean we should all walk around depressed? Absolutely not. Everybody would prefer a world in which **** doesn't happen but the reality is most people won't lose sleep, or feel any sadness at all, about the death of a single woman. Most people are only deeply saddened by the deaths of those close to them. This doesn't make the "cold, compassion-less excuses for human beings" it makes them normal. It is difficult to truly empathise with people who we do not know nor truly care about.


Ok so you don't care at all about this woman dying, but do you not feel at least a bit of sympathy for this woman and her family, even the tiniest amount. I'm not saying everyone should be depressed or whatever. Compassion for our fellow human beings is what makes us human and distinguishes us from apes and other animals, our cerebrum is developed enough to feel such things for other human beings. This compassion has contributed in leading us to great developments and although our complex society may not be completely perfect it's pretty remarkable when compared to other animals. Our ability to feel compassion has stopped things like the massacre of millions of Jews by hitler, the death of many people around the world due to poverty and hunger leading to a better chance of the survival of the human race. All of this would not have been possible if we humans were all heartless creatures like some people :rolleyes:.

Do you at least not care that as a result of this and some other incidents british muslims must now live in constant fear that they may be attacked and killed one day purely because of the religion they chose or were born into? Do you not at least admit that something needs to be done about this?
Reply 87
Original post by stefl14
Sorry to burst your bubble but the vast majority of people don't give that much of a **** about the premature death of one woman, regardless of what they say in public. Millions of people die unjust deaths every single day. Does that mean we should all walk around depressed? Absolutely not. Everybody would prefer a world in which **** doesn't happen but the reality is most people won't lose sleep, or feel any sadness at all, about the death of a single woman. Most people are only deeply saddened by the deaths of those close to them. This doesn't make the "cold, compassion-less excuses for human beings" it makes them normal. It is difficult to truly empathise with people who we do not know nor truly care about.


So what if people don't care when you die? I know you wouldn't feel anything because you won't be Alive but still it doesn't bother you?
Original post by pjm600
Your bias is clearly showing.

It's in the news! Lots of people die without making it into national newspapers, many of them are white, many of them are black.

We don't even know who killed her.


You're right but I just love jumping to conclusion about these things.
This is all very sad. But the 5th post pretty much closes the discussion. Why are some people arguing over it? Can't we all just say that it's a terrible waste of human life and that our condolences go out to her family.
Original post by Silver Arrows
In the future I'll make sure to have a little cry every day when it mentions on the news someone has died.


Who pissed in your cornflakes? :biggrin:

Original post by Hazard17
Typical foolish Indian, thinks he's the boss because he contributes to society with a corner shop on every street.

See, i can be ignorant too


My local corner shop is totally run by Indians.
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Reply 91
Still, nobody believes my giant Wasp theory.

They're coming. They're hiding something. It killed my Cat.

Don't say I didn't war you all.
Original post by tammie123
Ok so you don't care at all about this woman dying, but do you not feel at least a bit of sympathy for this woman and her family, even the tiniest amount. I'm not saying everyone should be depressed or whatever. Compassion for our fellow human beings is what makes us human and distinguishes us from apes and other animals, our cerebrum is developed enough to feel such things for other human beings. This compassion has contributed in leading us to great developments and although our complex society may not be completely perfect it's pretty remarkable when compared to other animals. Our ability to feel compassion has stopped things like the massacre of millions of Jews by hitler, the death of many people around the world due to poverty and hunger leading to a better chance of the survival of the human race. All of this would not have been possible if we humans were all heartless creatures like some people :rolleyes:.

Do you at least not care that as a result of this and some other incidents British Muslims must now live in constant fear that they may be attacked and killed one day purely because of the religion they chose or were born into? Do you not at least admit that something needs to be done about this?


Do I sympathise with her family? Absolutely. Do I think murder in any form is despicable? Absolutely. It is sad that people are attacked because of their religion and of course I think it needs to be stopped. However, your argument that British Muslims live in fear is equally applicable to non-Muslims who live in fear of radical Muslims who commit terrorist attacks and aim to kill those who they perceive to be apostates. The fear of non-Muslims is justifiably greater. This is not Islamophobia it is just fact. Radical's give your religion a bad name. Personally, I have no fear because in reality I am unlikely to die a violent death. If I do, then so be it. I don't fear it because it's so unlikely and life goes on. Going through life fearing something which is likely to never happen isn't healthy.
Original post by Hazard17
No-ones telling you to cry, have respect instead of acting like a little scumbag.


I never showed a lack of respect. Fact of the matter is someone died who I don't know. Just like hundreds & thousands of others who will perish this year.

And now you're rattled as you're resorting to petty insults. Poor you.
Original post by Rosie786
So what if people don't care when you die? I know you wouldn't feel anything because you won't be Alive but still it doesn't bother you?


I would expect family and friends and those who know me personally to be moved but it is unrealistic to expect society as a whole to be deeply saddened when I die.
They might claim that these acts are religiously motivated but I highly doubt they are. It's all about power, money and politics. Osama bin laden claimed to have done what he did to establish Islamic principles but he clearly didn't actually believe in them. He was an avid watcher of Porn and had a weird obsession with Whitney Houston (I might edit sources later on. Using my phone atm..)
Maybe the gullible people who actually carry out these actions believe that they are doing it for the religion but I don't think the people in charge does. Seems more political to me. Having read stuff about how people are recruited for these ' missions ' and how families of some suicide bombers get paid after they do the deed, I believe there is more to all this than religion
Original post by Silver Arrows
I never showed a lack of respect. Fact of the matter is someone died who I don't know. Just like hundreds & thousands of others who will perish this year.

And now you're rattled as you're resorting to petty insults. Poor you.



Not an insult, i said you were acting like one. You have that dehumanising attitude of not caring for people just because you think you'll never meet them in your life. If that's not lacking respect, i dont know what is.

You're acting like a little kid who only sees death on tv/shows so hasnt been hit by it. Hopefully you wont, but you have no idea what you're talking about until you see it for yourself.
Reply 97
Original post by stefl14
I would expect family and friends and those who know me personally to be moved but it is unrealistic to expect society as a whole to be deeply saddened when I die.


The main point was that what if someone doesn't even sympathise regardless of them knowing you or not. Its human nature.
Reply 98
This thread is why some people shouldn't be taught to read.
extremely saddening. This was someone's, sister, daughter. It disgusting to see people not condoning any sympathy because of her faith. Secondly its most likely that the main reason she was killed was because of her hijab/veil by some islamaphobe. thats the truth. The media likes to portray us as the oppressors when in fact we are the ones being oppressed. Pause..... and when the media shows that...you all get angry?

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