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Biomedical science or reapply?

Hi

I'm an international student who just got his four rejections from medical school. I'm currently waiting for my IB results on the 6th of July.

Despite my rejections, I did firm an offer from KCL for biomedical science. The real dilemma is that studying medicine and becoming a doctor is my ultimate dream. The biomedical science degree is really good, and I'm lucky to get an offer from KCL, but I fear that it may come in the way of my primary objective, which is to study medicine. I need advice from people about the options I'm facing:

Gap and reapply: my dad really doesn't want me to do this because he thinks I'll "forget" all the science I learned in high school and will be disadvantaged. He also doesn't want me lazing around the house doing nothing. Work experience is very hard to get in my country and you have to use contacts (family or friends) in order to shadow a doctor or volunteer in a clinic. I used a contact to shadow a rheumatologist in her clinic while I was applying. Any suggestions on how to solve this are welcome. The gap year will only be possible if I get the right IB grades as well. Wouldn't it be worth the wait if I do accepted into med school the next year though?

3 years of biomedical science and apply as a graduate: this is the option my dad wants me to take and it isn't that bad either. I'll be in a good uni, in an amazing city and (sort of) independent. However, I hear that graduate entry medicine is very oversubscribed...more so than undergrad. Additionally, medicine is my dream...wouldn't this option delay my chances of achieving my dream?

I really would appreciate any advice you guys have.

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Reply 1
Original post by Inglisred
Hi

I'm an international student who just got his four rejections from medical school. I'm currently waiting for my IB results on the 6th of July.

Despite my rejections, I did firm an offer from KCL for biomedical science. The real dilemma is that studying medicine and becoming a doctor is my ultimate dream. The biomedical science degree is really good, and I'm lucky to get an offer from KCL, but I fear that it may come in the way of my primary objective, which is to study medicine. I need advice from people about the options I'm facing:

Gap and reapply: my dad really doesn't want me to do this because he thinks I'll "forget" all the science I learned in high school and will be disadvantaged. He also doesn't want me lazing around the house doing nothing. Work experience is very hard to get in my country and you have to use contacts (family or friends) in order to shadow a doctor or volunteer in a clinic. I used a contact to shadow a rheumatologist in her clinic while I was applying. Any suggestions on how to solve this are welcome. The gap year will only be possible if I get the right IB grades as well. Wouldn't it be worth the wait if I do accepted into med school the next year though?

3 years of biomedical science and apply as a graduate: this is the option my dad wants me to take and it isn't that bad either. I'll be in a good uni, in an amazing city and (sort of) independent. However, I hear that graduate entry medicine is very oversubscribed...more so than undergrad. Additionally, medicine is my dream...wouldn't this option delay my chances of achieving my dream?

I really would appreciate any advice you guys have.


I had the same dilemma last year. I applied for dentistry, got no offers but got an offer for biomedicine. However, this year I have got an offer.
I would always recommend taking a gap year over going for bio medicine. Graduate entry into med/dent is VERY difficult and graduate medicine is very very expensive.
Reply 2
Original post by Inglisred
Hi

I'm an international student who just got his four rejections from medical school. I'm currently waiting for my IB results on the 6th of July.

Despite my rejections, I did firm an offer from KCL for biomedical science. The real dilemma is that studying medicine and becoming a doctor is my ultimate dream. The biomedical science degree is really good, and I'm lucky to get an offer from KCL, but I fear that it may come in the way of my primary objective, which is to study medicine. I need advice from people about the options I'm facing:

Gap and reapply: my dad really doesn't want me to do this because he thinks I'll "forget" all the science I learned in high school and will be disadvantaged. He also doesn't want me lazing around the house doing nothing. Work experience is very hard to get in my country and you have to use contacts (family or friends) in order to shadow a doctor or volunteer in a clinic. I used a contact to shadow a rheumatologist in her clinic while I was applying. Any suggestions on how to solve this are welcome. The gap year will only be possible if I get the right IB grades as well. Wouldn't it be worth the wait if I do accepted into med school the next year though?

3 years of biomedical science and apply as a graduate: this is the option my dad wants me to take and it isn't that bad either. I'll be in a good uni, in an amazing city and (sort of) independent. However, I hear that graduate entry medicine is very oversubscribed...more so than undergrad. Additionally, medicine is my dream...wouldn't this option delay my chances of achieving my dream?

I really would appreciate any advice you guys have.


Hi InglisRed, sorry to hear you got 4 rejections. What were your IB predictions like? If you get the IB results good enough to get into med school, I would definitely take a gap year and re-apply. Applying as a graduate is stiff competition, even on undergrad courses. You can really improve your application in your year out by getting some life experience and working on your UKCAT score. I recommend trying to get some "hands on" work experience in a care setting or working as a health care assistant in a hospital/care setting. You also need to demonstrate evidence of the skills of a doctor such as teamwork, leadership, empathy and communication skills. Maybe its worth getting some long term volunteering work to improve your application. Hope this helps! :smile:
Reply 3
Original post by teen1234
I had the same dilemma last year. I applied for dentistry, got no offers but got an offer for biomedicine. However, this year I have got an offer.
I would always recommend taking a gap year over going for bio medicine. Graduate entry into med/dent is VERY difficult and graduate medicine is very very expensive.


Hmm...may I ask which school gave you the offer?
Reply 4
Original post by Spiggy
Hi InglisRed, sorry to hear you got 4 rejections. What were your IB predictions like? If you get the IB results good enough to get into med school, I would definitely take a gap year and re-apply. Applying as a graduate is stiff competition, even on undergrad courses. You can really improve your application in your year out by getting some life experience and working on your UKCAT score. I recommend trying to get some "hands on" work experience in a care setting or working as a health care assistant in a hospital/care setting. You also need to demonstrate evidence of the skills of a doctor such as teamwork, leadership, empathy and communication skills. Maybe its worth getting some long term volunteering work to improve your application. Hope this helps! :smile:


I was predicted 37...the uni with the lowest requirement was 35

i honestly think that it was my below-par ukcat score that really messed things up for me...what do you mean by "applying as a graduate is stiff competition, even on an undergrad course"?
Original post by Inglisred
what do you mean by "applying as a graduate is stiff competition, even on an undergrad course"?


The GEP courses (that are left) have ridiculous competition ratios, and even if you apply for the "normal" 5/6 year undergradute programs, there are only a certain amount of spaces for graduates. Having a degree and applying to a 5 year course does not give you any advantage over a A level candidate in that respect.
Reply 6
Original post by Inglisred
Hmm...may I ask which school gave you the offer?


peninsula, I got 3/4 interviews too whereas the year before i only got 1 interview
Reply 7
Original post by arcl
The GEP courses (that are left) have ridiculous competition ratios, and even if you apply for the "normal" 5/6 year undergradute programs, there are only a certain amount of spaces for graduates. Having a degree and applying to a 5 year course does not give you any advantage over a A level candidate in that respect.


Oh my God that's awful. As it is they have international quotas already... Do you have a source that supports this?
Reply 8
Original post by teen1234
peninsula, I got 3/4 interviews too whereas the year before i only got 1 interview


Well congrats :smile:

Did you feel like giving up when you got four rejections?
Original post by teen1234
I had the same dilemma last year. I applied for dentistry, got no offers but got an offer for biomedicine. However, this year I have got an offer.
I would always recommend taking a gap year over going for bio medicine. Graduate entry into med/dent is VERY difficult and graduate medicine is very very expensive.


How come graduate entry is very difficult?
Reply 10
Original post by Inglisred
Well congrats :smile:

Did you feel like giving up when you got four rejections?


Not really, I was expecting it tbh due to the competition. When I finally got my a levels at a*a*a I was sure my chances of an offer would be very high:smile: Applying more than once is VERY common in medicine and dentistry in the UK, not sure about your country
Reply 11
Original post by CakeIsthebest
How come graduate entry is very difficult?


The competition ratios are higher than at undergraduate. The number of bio medical/pharmacy etc students who want to go into medicine/dentistry is VERY high relative to the number of places available.
Reply 12
Original post by teen1234
Not really, I was expecting it tbh due to the competition. When I finally got my a levels at a*a*a I was sure my chances of an offer would be very high:smile: Applying more than once is VERY common in medicine and dentistry in the UK, not sure about your country


Well everyone I know got into university BUT did not apply for medicine...most of them applied for management, one or two for engineering...everybody who applied for law got into their UK unis...it got me kind of bummed out because there were so many people saying "but how can you not possibly get in?!" I didn't know it was very common for people to reapply in the UK.
Reply 13
Original post by Inglisred
Well everyone I know got into university BUT did not apply for medicine...most of them applied for management, one or two for engineering...everybody who applied for law got into their UK unis...it got me kind of bummed out because there were so many people saying "but how can you not possibly get in?!" I didn't know it was very common for people to reapply in the UK.


Well law and engineering are only competitive at a few of the universities. Plenty of medical/dental students apply for engineering degrees as a 5th choice on UCAS and get offers. Medicine and dentistry are competitive regardless of what university since they're regulated by the same board
Original post by Inglisred
Oh my God that's awful. As it is they have international quotas already... Do you have a source that supports this?


Some unis used to state how many grads they took on the 5 year - I don't know if any do any more, but usually it was up to a certain number, and you are still usually ranked against the school leaver applicants.
Reply 15
Original post by Inglisred
Well everyone I know got into university BUT did not apply for medicine...most of them applied for management, one or two for engineering...everybody who applied for law got into their UK unis...it got me kind of bummed out because there were so many people saying "but how can you not possibly get in?!" I didn't know it was very common for people to reapply in the UK.

The reason why so many people reapply in the UK is because medicine is a highly over-subscribed course with a set number of places in each medical school. Approximately 65% of applications get rejected straightway and only about 35% of applications are considered for interviews. This article her http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/Medical_School_Competition_Ratios gives a rough idea of the competition ratios.
Reply 16
Original post by arcl
The GEP courses (that are left) have ridiculous competition ratios, and even if you apply for the "normal" 5/6 year undergradute programs, there are only a certain amount of spaces for graduates. Having a degree and applying to a 5 year course does not give you any advantage over a A level candidate in that respect.

Thank you for explaining that :biggrin:
Reply 17
Gap year and reapply. Graduate medicine is even more competitive.
Original post by teen1234
The competition ratios are higher than at undergraduate. The number of bio medical/pharmacy etc students who want to go into medicine/dentistry is VERY high relative to the number of places available.


Ahhh I see. Really sucks :frown: but I guess that's how things work!
Original post by CakeIsthebest
How come graduate entry is very difficult?


Original post by teen1234
The competition ratios are higher than at undergraduate. The number of bio medical/pharmacy etc students who want to go into medicine/dentistry is VERY high relative to the number of places available.


For reference, Kings only has about 25 place and Barts 40 for what is usually 2000+ applicants. Many GEPs are being reduced or scrapped (Imperial and Leeds).

Warwick has the largest intake of around 175, which is still quite a small cohort compared to other medical schools.

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