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Are rape fantasies/porn wrong?

The issue popped into my head because I went to a link a friend sent me for a porn site (of the homosexual variety).

I was rather impressed, the guys are very hot, sporty, 18 or 19 and they **** each other without condoms. So far so good. The sex is the kind of angry sex you typically see in straight porn, but I can forgive that because the talent is so attractive and quite obviously enjoying themselves.

But I came to a video where these two frat guys (appear to) slip a roofie into another guy's drink, and he pretends to be passed out while they go for it. This seemed a bit messed up, though I read in the adult industry media that apparently the guy was fine and it was an act. It provoked a number of "hot or not?" articles about whether this is okay.

I don't mind porn being a little rough, but it probably crosses a line when they are simulating drugging someone etc. What do you think?

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Original post by MostUncivilised
The issue popped into my head because I went to a link a friend sent me for a porn site (of the homosexual variety).

I was rather impressed, the guys are very hot, sporty, 18 or 19 and they **** each other without condoms. So far so good. The sex is the kind of angry sex you typically see in straight porn, but I can forgive that because the talent is so attractive and quite obviously enjoying themselves.

But I came to a video where these two frat guys (appear to) slip a roofie into another guy's drink, and he pretends to be passed out while they go for it. This seemed a bit messed up, though I read in the adult industry media that apparently the guy was fine and it was an act. It provoked a number of "hot or not?" articles about whether this is okay.

I don't mind porn being a little rough, but it probably crosses a line when they are simulating drugging someone etc. What do you think?

Some people are into that kind of ****, it's not causing any harm so I don't see the problem with it. The porn industry is always trying to find new ways to reach out to its audience, the evergrowing catergories list on porn websites proves this. I believe the video you watched would classify as a rough/hardcore video. Bukkake is also another controversial category, often deemed as being degrading towards women. However, it doesn't cause any harm, and there is a demand for it.
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Original post by King Leonidas
Some people are into that kind of ****, it's not causing any harm so I don't see the problem with it. The porn industry is always trying to find new ways to reach out to its audience, the evergrowing catergories list on porn websites proves this. I believe the video you watched would classify as a rough/hardcore video. Bukkake is also another controversial category, often deemed as being degrading towards women. However, it doesn't cause any harm, and there is a demand for it.


Indeed, porn is better than its ever been. The talent is hotter, there are more niches, it's more easily available.

I take your point about it not doing any harm, and I don't really subscribe to the theory that people will do something simply because they saw it (otherwise I would be out jacking cars and shooting innocent civilians, based on my GTA 5 rampages),. But it was... a bit disturbing, kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth over what is otherwise quite a good website
Original post by King Leonidas
Bukkake is also another controversial category, often deemed as being degrading towards women. However, it doesn't cause any harm, and there is a demand for it.


Just on the issue of bukkake, it's ridiculous to say that it's inherently degrading towards women. Not only is there nothing inherently related to women about bukkake (men sometimes do it when women aren't around), but even when they are it's only degrading to the person being cummed on.

Some people like to be really slutty etc, I don't see how that degrades someone who wasn't even there
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I'd say that rape porn is certainly strange, but so are most of the niche markets out there.. It doesn't mean that someone is going to copy what they see are create more rapists as you've said, this is a flimsy argument against it.

I'm sure if the porn in question was heterosexual though you'd be faced with a lot more posters condeming its existence.
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I'd say that rape porn is certainly strange, but so are most of the niche markets out there.. It doesn't mean that someone is going to copy what they see are create more rapists as you've said, this is a flimsy argument against it.

I'm sure if the porn in question was heterosexual though you'd be faced with a lot more posters condeming its existence


Very true, good point.

Interestingly, I wonder if anyone who condemns rape jokes thinks this is okay? Something along the lines of "Rape is never funny, but sometimes it's hot"
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Given that most porn is separated by category on tube site these days i have no objection to simulated rape porn (one can easily report a link to the police). I like to see women being submissive so i watch porn that's a bit rough, i don't really like a foot fetish so i avoid that section.

Given that i don't buy into the whole 'violent porn and games will make you rapists and murderers' i believe it should stay. The people affected by these things are likely weak minded anyway and could well have fallen foul via peer pressure ect..
I think porn is damaging to your brain, for these reasons, It makes you lust for more pleasure, so you look for more pleasure and desensitize from real life experiences. It also creates people to be wary about genital sizes, or their body types because the media of porn portrays a certain imagine for both men and the women. Lastly, the situations which Porn Industries implement into their films like '****ing my step-daughter' and other taboo titles, makes it more acceptable and people more prone to commit these actions in real life, although I do understand people have dark desires, and this may stop them from actually acting them out in real life. Mhmm, deep thoughts, what do you all think?
For me it depends if it makes the watcher less or more likely to commit such acts themselves. A tough one to be fair
Original post by Huskaris
For me it depends if it makes the watcher less or more likely to commit such acts themselves. A tough one to be fair


I'm of the belief that some people might indeed by affected by it, but these are the kind of people who commit mass shootings, etc. I'd compare it to GTA 5, I steal cars and murder innocent civilians on that game but I think it fairly unlikely I will do this in real life. Is rape more objectionable than murder?

The only problem I can foresee is that the proliferation of such movies will make it difficult to ascertain whether a movie is a simulation or an actual instance of rape.
Original post by MostUncivilised
I'm of the belief that some people might indeed by affected by it, but these are the kind of people who commit mass shootings, etc. I'd compare it to GTA 5, I steal cars and murder innocent civilians on that game but I think it fairly unlikely I will do this in real life. Is rape more objectionable than murder?

The only problem I can foresee is that the proliferation of such movies will make it difficult to ascertain whether a movie is a simulation or an actual instance of rape.


I agree with what you say regarding GTA V but then you have to accept we will also have mass hysteria every time there is a rape and that person rapes someone they will have influcenced by those films bla bla.

I would be inclined to believe that like most instances in life, people will have predispositions, much like what people have with things they become addicted to eg gambling. Some people might watch those films and have a completely different reaction to someone else.

Regarding not sure if the movies are real rape or not, do you think many real rapists would post their rape online? Surely the porn industry is better regulated than thay with signatures etc?
Original post by Troytheboy
I think porn is damaging to your brain, for these reasons, It makes you lust for more pleasure, so you look for more pleasure and desensitize from real life experiences. It also creates people to be wary about genital sizes, or their body types because the media of porn portrays a certain imagine for both men and the women


I'm afraid I must disagree; there's no evidence (and no credible theory) that would suggest a mechanism by which porn could damage your brain. Lusting for more pleasure is hardly a bad thing, and most people use porn in a fairly utilitarian manner (i.e. watch it for 15 or 20 minutes to get off when they're not with their partner or not getting any sex)

It can certainly be problematic if someone is watching it for many hours. On the issue of body image, I can certainly see that there might be something in that, but it's for consenting adults to choose what they want to watch.

Lastly, the situations which Porn Industries implement into their films like '****ing my step-daughter' and other taboo titles


Sounds pretty hot to me, I don't see what the problem is? The vast majority of the time you see something like that a tube website has added a title that is only tangentially related to the content.
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What has this world come into??
Original post by Huskaris

Regarding not sure if the movies are real rape or not, do you think many real rapists would post their rape online? Surely the porn industry is better regulated than thay with signatures etc?


Good point, you're probably right; it would be ludicrous to film and then publish online evidence of your crime. I suppose it's a bit like snuff movies (there are many such putative films but, according to wikipedia, no real movie has ever been found by police).

I do think that the broader genre becoming much more prevalent (whenever I watch straight porn, it seems like almost all of it is kinda rough these days) and I think gay porn is heading in that direction. I can't say if this is a problem, I don't want to be a moral hysteric. Is the market responding to consumer demand or is the adult industry leading consumer tastes?
As long as the girl is enjoying it and it's part of what she's signed up for. There's a particular oral sex website where you can tell the girls are receiving more than they signed up for.

I love the whole idea of a girl being really slutty in bed for her boyfriend. But it's not for everyone.

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Original post by ThrashMetal
As long as the girl is enjoying it and it's part of what she's signed up for.


The video I watched didn't have any girls, but I generally agree. Though I'm not entirely sure they need to enjoy it, it's a job. Though it's better when they do enjoy it, movies where the talent isn't enjoying themselves is excruciating to watch

There's a particular oral sex website where you can tell the girls are receiving more than they signed up for.


That's what makes me slightly uncomfortable. But of course it's always hard to tell because many of the actors they get in to do this kind of material genuinely enjoy being dominated and pretending to resist.
Original post by MostUncivilised
Good point, you're probably right; it would be ludicrous to film and then publish online evidence of your crime. I suppose it's a bit like snuff movies (there are many such putative films but, according to wikipedia, no real movie has ever been found by police).

I do think that the broader genre becoming much more prevalent (whenever I watch straight porn, it seems like almost all of it is kinda rough these days) and I think gay porn is heading in that direction. I can't say if this is a problem, I don't want to be a moral hysteric. Is the market responding to consumer demand or is the adult industry leading consumer tastes?


I genuinely would say at the moment it is leading consumer tastes. Which I suppose is because a lot of guys might get their ideas from porn and a lot of girls might be willing to be dominated, which is of course significantly different to rape. Some guys of course never try it even though they see it.

I would say that rape porn is still pretty rare but porn in general is becoming a lot more violent, or male dominant, where proving how masculine you shown by just bang a really hot woman, you have to be physically dominant over her too. It would be interesting to see how much it actually has made society change how it actually conducts sex, but the problem is when anyone addresses it it isn't ever on facts its done more on hysteria (like video games and links to violence)
Original post by Huskaris
I genuinely would say at the moment it is leading consumer tastes. Which I suppose is because a lot of guys might get their ideas from porn and a lot of girls might be willing to be dominated, which is of course significantly different to rape. Some guys of course never try it even though they see it.

I would say that rape porn is still pretty rare but porn in general is becoming a lot more violent, or male dominant, where proving how masculine you shown by just bang a really hot woman, you have to be physically dominant over her too. It would be interesting to see how much it actually has made society change how it actually conducts sex, but the problem is when anyone addresses it it isn't ever on facts its done more on hysteria (like video games and links to violence)


I agree, I do wonder whether people's expectations of what sex should be like is changing as a result of the very dominant and hardcore style of modern pornography

I suspect that it will mean more couples will explore these kinds of fantasies, the only hitch being that I don't think such videos convey the distinction between rough sex fantasies (being very verbal, holding your partner down, taking control etc) and actually being rough (I really wince when I see someone gagging in such videos, I doubt many women want to experience that). Most people who do fantasise about this don't actually want to be hurt, so I would hope that consumers don't take it as a how-to guide and then try it out on their partner
Original post by MostUncivilised
I agree, I do wonder whether people's expectations of what sex should be like is changing as a result of the very dominant and hardcore style of modern pornography

I suspect that it will mean more couples will explore these kinds of fantasies, the only hitch being that I don't think such videos convey the distinction between rough sex fantasies (being very verbal, holding your partner down, taking control etc) and actually being rough (I really wince when I see someone gagging in such videos, I doubt many women want to experience that). Most people who do fantasise about this don't actually want to be hurt, so I would hope that consumers don't take it as a how-to guide and then try it out on their partner


Yeah I 100% agree with what you said regarding fantasies and real roughness. I wouldn't get any pleasure out of doing that, and I can see that porn really is going that slightly more violent way.
Original post by ThrashMetal
As long as the girl is enjoying it and it's part of what she's signed up for. There's a particular oral sex website where you can tell the girls are receiving more than they signed up for.

I love the whole idea of a girl being really slutty in bed for her boyfriend. But it's not for everyone.

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Have to disagree. Its frankly irrelevant if the girl or guy (the 'victim') or even the "rapist" are enjoying it, as long as they consent towards doing the scene and having it uploaded. Also assuming that refusing won't harm their job position, is they can opt out with relative freedom.

The thing is people are providing a service, as clearly someone enjoys fantasising about rape. Our jobs don't always need to be enjoyable.

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