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How to get more women to become sewer workers and refuse collectors?

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So the male dominant jobs earn more than the female dominant jobs that also involve tasks that many find unpleasant?

And you're complaining on behalf of your gender because...?

They earn more because fewer people are willing or able to do them, like with pretty much any other job in capitalist society. And a cleaner in a nice ventilated or AC-ed indoor area isn't really like working with tons of trash and **** every single day in the heat, snow, cold or rain. Not to mention danger factor (yes, rubbish collector is one of the most dangerous jobs for injuries and fatalities). Women do almost no dangerous jobs at all, that's why 95% of work related fatalities are men.

And speaking of cleaners, since the majority are women how come none of them ever clean skyscrapers 200m up on a small shaky platform? It's pretty much all men. It's a cleaning job, right? Oh, right, women are too scared.

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DanielDr

Original post by TolerantBeing

Give me one logical reason why they should? Have I not just provided you examples of 'disgusting' female dominated jobs? You're still ignoring it....

The old trick of only attending to information that supports your belief.
#confirmationbias

So you're ok with women just getting the ''nice'' side of equality while men still get to do all the miserable jobs and be treated as cannon fodder in wars? I'm starting to think you're a feminist!

Reply 22

TolerantBeing

Original post by DanielDr

So you're ok with women just getting the ''nice'' side of equality while men still get to do all the miserable jobs and be treated as cannon fodder in wars? I'm starting to think you're a feminist!

Still ignoring the numerous examples of unpleasant female dominated jobs.

I'm starting to think troll or just plain stupid.

Reply 23

DanielDr

Original post by TolerantBeing

Still ignoring the numerous examples of unpleasant female dominated jobs.

I'm starting to think troll or just plain stupid.

I replied. And no insults please, it's childish.

Reply 24

vickidc18

Care is mostly dominated by women , cleaning bodily fluids all day, risk of getting abused attacked by patients and a large percentage of cleaners are women, cleaning toilets etc both men and women do unpleasant jobs.

Reply 25

Tillybop

Original post by TolerantBeing

I know, carers for the elderly as well.

Most of those jobs involve doing tasks that many find disgusting. But of course they won't pay attention to this.

Yep exactly. :yy:

Original post by DanielDr

Because they pay little and men are under more pressure to earn and because men aren't naturally good at caring jobs. Also, for midwives and child minders, pretty sure a lot of women/parents wouldn't be ok with it.

Not really. For me I have to find a job that pays when I finish my studies, just the same as anyone else. I'm pretty sure it's the same for most other females.

So women might not be naturally good at fighting jobs, hence they don't take such jobs. Same answer for men as it is for women :rolleyes:

Reply 26

DanielDr

Original post by Tilly-Elizabeth

Yep exactly. :yy:

80-90% of modern military jobs do not involve fighting, most are jobs done by civilians all the time.

Reply 27

i-love-coffee

Original post by Algorithm69

No, no, no, sir. You're going about this all wrong. Gender parity only when it comes to doctors, lawyers, engineers, business owners, politicians, programmers, scientists etc.

thx k bye x

Original post by DanielDr

This reminds me about another issue : army recruits. Very few women want to join the military (only about 10% in the british armed forces) even though they are allowed in at least 80% of military jobs, since only about 10-20% of modern armies are actually involved in combat or auxiliary missions. In the US military only about 8% out of the already small female staff percentage (about 15%) want to go into combat and most of them want to be part of helicopter crews, not actual fighters.

Starting to think women don't want 50/50 when disgusting and deadly jobs are involved. Have cake, eat cake? So the question remains, what do we do to make women embrace the not so pleasant part of equality?

I get both your points, but that's not how girls think. Doctors, lawyers, engineers etc. are careers where the establishments are often very closed and it's hard for women to get a job there. Not just because their women, but for all sorts of reasons, and currently, they are under-represented.

I can't imagine that being a sewage worker is a high-competition job, and therefore, if women wanted to do it then they probably could without many problems; therefore equality can easy be achieved. It's the careers where they encounter problems in achieving equality that feminists argue for equality, and those happen to be the top jobs.

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vickidc18

Original post by Tilly-Elizabeth

Yep exactly. :yy:

That's not necessarily true, at 16 my dad pressured me into joining the navy, the naval aptitude test matched me to warfare specialist da***? I got through the recruitment I just didn't want to dedicate my life to possibly killing people, I'm just about to embark on nurse training which I believe is more suited to my personality.

Reply 29

DanielDr

Original post by vickidc18

Cleaners are paid very little. So why don't women work better paid jobs like rubbish collectors or sewer cleaners if they have to deal with the same **** anyway? And why are no women cleaning skyscrapers, hanging from a thread 200m up in the air. It's a cleaning job, right?

Reply 30

Tillybop

Original post by DanielDr

80-90% of modern military jobs do not involve fighting, most are jobs done by civilians all the time.

And women still might not want to do those jobs...It's still a choice at the end of the day.

Original post by vickidc18

Wow that's pretty cool that you got through recruitment even if you didn't want to do it.

I think that it's better just to go with what you actually want to do and enjoy. :smile:

Reply 31

vickidc18

Original post by DanielDr

I've seen a female rubbish collector once, rubbish collector isn't that bad job, you're paid assuming a 9-5 job but if you run the whole round you can be done by 12 so paid the whole day for doing the round quick;y. i think the gender thing is slowly breaking down I never used to see female bus drivers or taxi drivers but I've seen 3-4 in the past few weeks

Reply 32

DanielDr

Original post by i-love-coffee

Women make up the majority of med students (55-60% and rising) and are already at 51% of all UK GP's , even higher than that for veterinarians or pharmacists. They also do very well as lawyers and there are more female law students than male ones nowadays. Where women want to achieve, they can. Women are not under-represented in these areas, the are the majority and growing all the time .

Reply 33

redferry

Original post by DanielDr

I know women who have been in the army and seriously it is no wonder no women want to join up given their experiences.

As for the topic in question, I guess its the same as any job, encouraging women into the workplace, welcoming them and showing they can do the job as well as a man.

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Reply 34

Tillybop

Original post by DanielDr

Precisely. Women do great in medicine and law because it appeals to their inherent personality, nature and strengths. Maths and engineering do not. Same reason for not liking unsociable or dangerous jobs. Because men and women are different.

I'd rather do maths or engineering than medicine or law. Though I'm not planning to do any of those jobs.

Some females have better strengths in maths and engineering, rather than medicine and law.

It's not a one size fits all thing. People have all different interests and strengths.

Original post by DanielDr

Forcing people into courses and careers they have no interest in will not work. If it hasn't worked in Sweden where the feminist brainwashing and the social constructed gender myth is drilled into children's brains from day 1, it won't work anywhere. Like you said, we only need equal opportunities, not outcomes. But when everything doesn't end up 50/50 maybe mother nature has something to do with it and not some fictional bogeyman like patriarchy.

This isn't the point though! Women can do these jobs if they want to do them. They don't have to, but they can. And that's what equal rights and equality are all about. Women have the opportunities to do everything a man can do. It doesn't mean that they have to utilise these opportunities, but they are there if a woman wants them.

Reply 35

Nezumiiro

Original post by DanielDr

I can't find a percentage of female refuse collector in the UK but having lived in 3 cities I have yet to see a single one out of hundreds of workers so the number must be close to 0%.

As for sewer workers I found this encouraging video:

The number is also incredibly small in this field but at least things are starting to happen. What more can be done to encourage girls to become sewer workers and refuse collectors?

I can't find a percentage of male cleaners in the UK but having lived in 1 city I have yet to see a few out of hundreds of workers so the number must be close to 2%.

As for nursery teachers I didn't bother looking for an encouraging video:

The number is also incredibly negligible in this field but at least things are starting to happen. What more can be done to encourage boys to become cleaners and nursery teachers?

Reply 36

DanielDr

Original post by Ichiko N.A.B.

The number is also incredibly negligible in this field but at least things are starting to happen. What more can be done to encourage boys to become cleaners and nursery teachers?

Nothing. That's what feminists need to get.

Reply 37

CryptoidAlien

Didn't Labour tel us all these jobs were done by immigrants?lying again eh.

Reply 38

Nezumiiro

Original post by DanielDr

Nothing. That's what feminists need to get.

I think it's a bit pessimistic to think that nothing can be done to encourage boys to go into cleaning or teaching jobs. Equality goes both ways (hence 'equal'), so more should be done to get more girls/boys into jobs where there is a shortage of them.