Two dads meet their newborn son

Clearly and that is because it is much more prevalent and the norm. We have no idea yet what will happen as a result of children born due to homosexual sperm donation to a surrogate. It is likely becoming more prevalent thats for sure. Who will have custody of such a child if/when the relationship fails?

This is hardly the first case of a child being raised on this way - there have been various studies into the effects same-sex parenting has on children etc. I'm not sure why the custody comment is relevant - That would be case by case, surely?

Reply 81

chazwomaq

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Original post by lucaf

most disturbing thing is the baby, it is so slimy...

That's what they look like when they emerge. He probably hasn't been cleaned as midwives usually don't wipe them down until after skin to skin to help establish the bond.

Reply 82

Nissie1

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Original post by Freudian Slip

Because...?

It just looks wrong. I mean the woman is there in the background looking tired after giving birth and there are two naked men holding a new born baby. It's far from cute.

Reply 83

minimarshmallow

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Original post by stargirl63

Gay adoption is too new to actually see what it does to the child in the long term. Let's see.

Plenty of studies have looked at the effects of gay parenting where the gay people have had their own natural children through surrogates or artificial insemination or just having sex with someone of the opposite sex purely for the purpose of having a child. This has been going on for years.

Just because there's nothing wrong about something, doesn't necessarily make it right.

No, but if you want to argue that it's wrong, you need a reason.

This is my opinion, so I don't need replies to my post. Thanks.

The fact that it's your opinion doesn't mean you don't need replies. Your opinion is now open to criticism, as you decided to share it in a debate.

Reply 84

Freudian Slip

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Original post by Nissie1

It just looks wrong. I mean the woman is there in the background looking tired after giving birth and there are two naked men holding a new born baby. It's far from cute.

Only, neither of them are naked, they're shirtless and my understanding is this is what usually happens in surrogate births - though, please do correct me if I'm wrong. The fathers have attended so that they are the first to hold the newborn.

Reply 85

TroyAndAbed

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I think these photos would look weird regardless of the gender of the parents. In a regular situation it wouldn't look anywhere near as odd. For instance, when I see Neil Patrick Harris & his partner with their children I don't think anything of it because they aren't topless & crying.

Reply 86

Nissie1

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Original post by Freudian Slip

Only, neither of them are naked, they're shirtless and my understanding is this is what usually happens in surrogate births - though, please do correct me if I'm wrong. The fathers have attended so that they are the first to hold the newborn.

So it looks completely normal to you?

Reply 87

Limpopo

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Original post by shadowdweller

Again, I understand that's your ideal, but why should that make a difference to the situation, unless male/female parenting is actually shown to be optimum?

What's your basic for the psychological/social issues comment?

I don't think wanting children is a particularly new found aspiration.

Well i do agree that we are in uncharted waters and so we dont really know but we do have the knowledge of past human existence which may lend support to a male/female committed relationship being optimal.

Who knows, in a hundred year that may seem so yesterday . We may live in more enlightened times whereby for example, single males with a desire to have a child will simply squirt into a test tube, send it off and pick their selected breeding female from a website,having the baby delivered by UPS in 9 months time.

(edited 9 years ago)

Reply 88

stargirl63

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Original post by minimarshmallow

Plenty of studies have looked at the effects of gay parenting where the gay people have had their own natural children through surrogates or artificial insemination or just having sex with someone of the opposite sex purely for the purpose of having a child. This has been going on for years.

No, but if you want to argue that it's wrong, you need a reason.

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Thing is, unless the study has been going on for generations, eg seeing how the child grows up in it's 30's,40's and 50's and perhaps even the generation after that, the studies are pretty new. A simple study of "this is how the child is in adolescence" really isn't enough to shed a wide eye on the situation.

Based on what those studies come out with - eg "gay adoption, 2 generations on", I can form an argument if I think it's wrong. At this present moment in time, I believe gay adoption is "not wrong".

Reply 89

Limpopo

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Original post by shadowdweller

This is hardly the first case of a child being raised on this way - there have been various studies into the effects same-sex parenting has on children etc. I'm not sure why the custody comment is relevant - That would be case by case, surely?

There is the charade of case by case now but generally the female "wins"..i'll go educated myself on those studies when i have a little more time.

Reply 90

Freudian Slip

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Original post by Nissie1

So it looks completely normal to you?

Yes, it does.

Reply 91

Huskaris

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I hope the kid doesn't get bullied.

Reply 92

BefuddledPenguin

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Awesome, adorable picture.

Reply 93

Nissie1

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Original post by Freudian Slip

Yes, it does.

Okay we'll never agree on this so let's end it here

Reply 94

RedArrow

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Okay I just want to know from where did that baby come from.

Sure the title should read two dad and one mother???????

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Reply 95

universal_set

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Who is actual biological father?

Reply 96

Limpopo

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Original post by universal_set

Who is actual biological father?

Theoretically it could be anyone,just as in a male/female relationship. Im guessing these guys dont want to know.

Reply 97

limetang

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Original post by Freudian Slip

However, the child is, almost always, (depending on the circumstances of their birth), placed onto the bare chest of their mother. This skin-to-skin contact or so-called 'Kangaroo Care' has moved forwards in popularity in recent times, there's any number of articles related to its benefits online.

Define 'normal couple'? :lolwut:

adjective
1. conforming to the standard or the common type

A gay couple is not a normal couple. This is a fact. The issue isn't over normal but over whether this is good. This is not the normal way to raise a child, doesn't mean it can't be good.