Isis orders all women and girls in Mosul to undergo FGM, says UN

I have a deep, personal conviction that it exists.

Just wait there whilst I dismiss it.

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There. Your "evidence" has been dismissed.

Nice talking to you. We should do this again some day.

On what grounds do you dismiss my deep, personal conviction? How dare you? You need to show some respect to other people's beliefs.

Having failed to provide evidence for this "deep, personal conviction" meaning there is nothing which warrants further discussion.

My own personal witness to it is the only evidence you should need. I see evidence for it all around me. Stop being ignorant and show some respect.

Whoever makes an assertion must prove it.

Okay. Looks like you don't have anything.

I have a deep, personal conviction that it exists.

I'm confused now. Which one of us is supposed to be the atheist?

Logic and rationality are not exclusive possessions of the atheist camp, much to their chagrin...

But if the person making the claim must prove it, and if any claim without observable evidence can be dismissed (and personal anecdote does not qualify as evidence) - where does that leave the religious camp?

I have given you the news report

Why don't you give ISIS a call and ask them if it's wrong

I suggest you create a new thread to find out then.

Fabricated fatwa.

On the top left hand side, it mentions 'wilayat ALEPPO' and not Mosul. The Islamic state no longer call themselves ISIS as well.

Does that mean it is an old fatwa from a different area? Still seems a bit harsh though.

No, it's a fabricated fatwa (when the infighting happened between rebel groups).

If the Islamic state were to implement this, they would've started in Raqqah as soon as they took control of it.

I'm confused. Are you saying that the fatwa exists but is from a different time, area and source to the report, or that the fatwa you posted does not exist?

I have a feeling that you are pretty much alone amongst the religious thinking like that, so why don't you just tell me? TBH, it sounds like you are not that religious at all. Are you thinking of defecting?

The Islamic Monthly
Prof CG Smith, Female Circumcision in Southeast Asia since the Coming of Islam
Feillard & Morcoes (1998), Female Circumcision in Indonesia
Hefner (1985), Hindu Javanese: Tengger Tradition and Islam
Ali (2006), Sexual Ethics And Islam
Population Council (2003), Female Circumcision in Indonesia
to name but a few.


Because 1. there are no records or traditions of it, and 2. it was forbidden under Hunduism and Buddhism, the two religions in the area before Islam arrived. Also, the small pockets of pre-Islamic religions do not practice it and their priests and medicine men do not take part in ceremonies where the cultures mix.

You misunderstand. The victims do not volunteer for the procedure or attempt to rationalise it. It is the the older women who carry it out or who have had it done in the past.

Of course they do. There is no need to do it at all so any justification is an excuse. The fact remains that the excuse used is that it is required under Islam. Whether they are right or not is irrelevant. It is the reason used for doing it. This is what you seem to fail to be able to grasp.
Islam is used as the justification for FGM in Indonesia & Malaysia.

It is clearly and demonstrably religious. You are merely trying to rationalise your denial.

It is quite simply a public relations exercise to counter popular condemnation of a practice linked with Islam. It is neither objective nor academically stringent.
For example, it states "It is forbidden to make changes in God's creation unless there is a compelling reason i.e. for medical reasons." Why, then, is male circumcision required under Islam, even though there rarely compelling medical reasons for doing it?

Yes they can. Read the papers.

You are in denial of the facts.

Yes. By their religious traditions. How do you think religion works?

Correct. Their parents, Imams, cutters, etc.
You seem to be under the impression that religious tradition is not a part of religion!

So you think isis are muslims?

Another brainwashed individual fed by the media.

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