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Original post by Sanctimonious
Nobody needs an Xbox to survive. That's the point. Sell the Xbox and use the money to look for a job. All people on benefits that do game are a waste money and time. Why should they be wasting my money and time on an Xbox when they could be using it more productively?

If they want an xbox once they've found work they can save up and purchase one like most hardworking people in the country do.


The state of their lives will never change if they spend their time running up electricity bills and playing Xbox and sitting on their arses watching TV. For their lives to change they need to make a change. The best thing I ever did was sell all of the unproductive items in my life and invest in things that could generate more money.



But they can help their situation. They have money they could spend on productive things as opposed to watching TV and playing Xbox whilst running up an electricity bill.


Spot on. They're just excuse makers and always find a reason to justify their own laziness.


Yes maybe people on JSA should spend their money more wisely. However, I believe that people who have a genuine disability should be about to spend the money on whatever they want. As I said my mum was working before she got ill through no fault of her own. People like this shouldn't be told what they can buy simply because it isn't their fault. It may not someones fault if they were made redundant but these people (On JSA) can help their situation more than someone who has fallen ill or become disabled.
I think it's evil, of both the government and the participants themselves
I know a stamp system will have its flaws but it is desperately needed.
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Original post by ldsbabe
Honestly, I say crack on.
JSA is really such a tiny amount, I don't believe that many can afford luxuries on it.


Yeah, I agree. I'm pretty sure these luxuries are probably purchased on credit card debt (which is a bad thing, but only for the person/family who is getting into debt, so I don't care). A normal person on benefits wouldn't be able to afford them.
Original post by eagleclawsan
With the introduction of new shows such as Benefit Street and Benefit Britain people on benefits are being frowned upon more and more. Now whilst I understand that in many cases there is a right to be angry. There are people who spend a lot of their income from benefits on cigarettes and unhealthy food, I fully get that. What I am more interested in is why people get so angry when a family on benefits owns a widescreen television or a smart phone.

My Mum used to work until she got a brain tumor which made it extremely difficult for her. She can't walk at a normal speed and she is constantly nauseous and in pain. There are loads of people like this out there but it feels as if people don't want them to have anything good because it is 'their' money that is being used to purchase these items.

On the radio and in comment sections you even get people suggesting that people on benefits shouldn't be allowed on holiday. I think that's ridiculous. Have we got to a point where the media has created a very negative image of someone on benefits, so negative that people no longer want them to have anything good?

I know there are a lot of people who don't deserve benefits, but do you think the people who actually need it are being unfairly frowned upon?

Do you think people on benefits should be allowed to purchase luxuries or maybe you think there should be a limit?

Interested to know.


They can spend their money however they damn well please
Original post by Martyn*
A person gets x amount in benefits to spend on whatever they like. There is no criteria set by law or by government guidelines on what they are to spend their benefit money on, whether it is a top up for their mobile phone, a console game or a piece of rump steak. They get that money and it is up to them how they use it, of course, they should use it wisely. The money spent on the item/items goes into the economy, so whether it is a bottle of vintage wine or pint of milk, it does not matter.

thats all grand
and I appreciate your view
but its natural to judge.
a man who spends all the dole on drink instead of his family is ofc judged.
as my dad always says..just because you have the right to do something doesnt mean you should do it.
I have the right to walk down roads late at night..but its likely il get mugged
Just as its likely people will be judged for questionable expenditure choices
at times its unfortunate but its human nature to conform.
Original post by zippity.doodah
I think it's evil, of both the government and the participants themselves
I know a stamp system will have its flaws but it is desperately needed.


It isn't needed. The same amount of money would have to be given in vouchers. It all goes into the economy regardless. The only "rationale" for giving vouchers instead of money is if you want to curb people's spending power or you want to punish those not in work.
Original post by Martyn*
It isn't needed. The same amount of money would have to be given in vouchers. It all goes into the economy regardless. The only "rationale" for giving vouchers instead of money is if you want to curb people's spending power or you want to punish those not in work.


"it isn't need"
it's necessity is predicated upon not allowing public money funding people's incentives to not work and to have fun instead; fun should exist only when they can work for it.

vouchers? stamps? they're the same thing here

"it all goes into the economy"
who cares? if we cared about the economy we'd all be libertarians but not many people are

and yes, of course I'd want to curb their spending power/"punish" them for not being in work; I wouldn't call it punishment, because you don't punish people by not giving them things they're already not entitled to.
Original post by zippity.doodah
"it isn't need"
it's necessity is predicated upon not allowing public money funding people's incentives to not work and to have fun instead; fun should exist only when they can work for it.

vouchers? stamps? they're the same thing here

"it all goes into the economy"
who cares? if we cared about the economy we'd all be libertarians but not many people are

and yes, of course I'd want to curb their spending power/"punish" them for not being in work; I wouldn't call it punishment, because you don't punish people by not giving them things they're already not entitled to.


So you're denying people fun? Let's say you became unemployed and you cannot find work and now a year has passed and you still cannot find work. You're miserable now. Do you deserve to be miserable?

My point is the exercise is purely punitive. Stamps, vouchers or money, it is the same thing, so why change it?

No it is punitive. They have the same thing in the US, and it is punitive. And who decides what people are and are not entitled to? Is an unemployed person not entitled to enjoy a drink? Are they not allowed to spend their money on whatever they like, because whatever they spend goes into the economy anyway?
Original post by Rakas21
I think we need to make a distinction between those who depend on the state like the disabled and those who simply need short term help like jobseekers.

I have no real objection to the disabled spending money on what they like because they may never have another source of income. Those on jobseekers though should not be draining the taxpayer for anything other than the necessities.


I bought a giant map of Westeros whilst on JSA. MWUUUUHHHAAHHHAAA!

I'd say that was a necessity.

I also bought a book this very afternoon. What was I thinking? :eek:

It's fun being part of the problem. Give me your wages!

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Original post by llys
Yeah, I agree. I'm pretty sure these luxuries are probably purchased on credit card debt (which is a bad thing, but only for the person/family who is getting into debt, so I don't care). A normal person on benefits wouldn't be able to afford them.


Not if they default on it.
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Original post by vickidc18
Most of the middle classes complaining about benefits have no clue and live beyond their means with a huge mortgage 3 cars on finance giving the presentation they are rich when really they have little disposable income , throwing their toys out of the pram because an unemployed/low paid person goes on a cheap package holiday to Benidorm for a 100 quid, when they wouldn't even holiday in benidorm anyway and would have to go somewhere exotic like the Maldives, me and my fiance both work and he pays something like 10k in tax and national insurance a year he doesnt moan about because if we somehow lost everything the state would be there to help until we got on our feet. You cannever predict the future.


It's about ambition and attitude if you become content with cheap holidays and minimum wage because it's safe then that's where you will stay.
It's their money that's given to them. They spend it how they will; through investments and wise purchases, or not. Through certain luxuries, or not. Through only necessities, or not. Bunch of dumbass conservatives pinning this apparent 'hatred' on those who claim benefits, when instead they should direct their hate towards their own system that afforded it all... And what is wrong with a benefits system? I'm Anarcho-Capitalist FFS yet I still see the logic/need for benefits. Anarcho-Capitalist views towards the benefits system, as well as inheritance and social mobility (and inheritance taxes) are the only two things I contend/find difficult to come to a verdict on.
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Original post by Martyn*
So you're denying people fun? Let's say you became unemployed and you cannot find work and now a year has passed and you still cannot find work. You're miserable now. Do you deserve to be miserable?


who owes them fun? certainly not me
if they like fun then it is their right and prerogative to seek it themselves
I can't think of something more definitively a privilege than fun

My point is the exercise is purely punitive. Stamps, vouchers or money, it is the same thing, so why change it?


stamps/vouchers and money are not the same and I find it odd that you're suggesting that; the difference between stamps or vouchers (whatever term you want to put onto it) is that they can only be a currency for a specific group of items, whereas money can be spent on anything

No it is punitive. They have the same thing in the US, and it is punitive. And who decides what people are and are not entitled to?


that's a bit of a pointless question; are you question the existence of representative democracy or are you asking for reasons supporting my position? because my reasoning is based on the fact that I, as a person, objectively owe them nothing, and if there was a hierarchy of things I owe them, fun is surely at the very bottom of the pyramid.

Is an unemployed person not entitled to enjoy a drink? Are they not allowed to spend their money on whatever they like, because whatever they spend goes into the economy anyway?


1) not unless they can pay for it - why on earth would the tax payers be paying for a benefit-muncher's booze? I want booze, why can't I get it for free as well? oh what "justice"...
2) who gives a rat's ass about the economy in this context of socialist spending? - benefits and taxes cost us factors of economic growth so it's rather funny that you're saying that spending for the sake of spending is universally good when at the same time it can also be completely unjustified; why should I be the victim of taxation for such a brainless cause of making me give money to someone else to spend it on something for them and not for me all in the name of something socialists (probably like yourself) don't exactly have a reputation of caring very much about practically speaking
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Reply 93
This is why job seekers allowance should be given in the form of food, clothes.. tokens - like a rationing type system. And any other benefits given for disabilities, sickness, etc., should be unmonitored.
Original post by INTit
It's about ambition and attitude if you become content with cheap holidays and minimum wage because it's safe then that's where you will stay.


I've travelled to many countries round the world, if someone is happy with a minimum wage job and a cheap holiday once a year how is it our business if it makes them happy?
Ambition isn't living beyond your means, with a huge mortgage and cars on finance, ambition is being smart enough to know how much you can afford and working towards getting a better career and more savings, so you can afford the house, cars & expensive holidays eventually without having to scrimp.
I was on Jobseeker's until I could find a job or go back to college, whichever came first. As well as having to pay my gtandparents for a financial mishap that was out of my control (I don't want to go into it) I had barely enough to last between the fortnight payments. I can't see how people on Jobseeker's alone could afford to pay for luxuries. The most I could buy luxury-wise was a dirt-cheap game from the Steam sales.

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Never understood why it bothered people at all. If a person has enough money to buy and iPhone, they should just buy it. If they have enough to go on holiday, they should. Really, who would just lock their money away and live humbly just out of a guilty feeling, to not make other people angry. You'd spend it.
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No worse then someone on student loan purchasing luxuries. None of my buisness in other words.
Original post by Captain Haddock
Poor people shouldn't be allowed nice things because then they won't live up to my outdated Dickensian image of what 'poor' is. Poor people these days just aren't poor enough goddamn it - some of them even have refrigerators ffs!


:rofl:

Why, rumour even has it that some of the poor are so wanton as to have telephones and indeed clothing. :eek: This must be stopped and Ian Duncan-Smith is just the man to stop it.
The benifit system is only wrong for people that live on benefits that have no intention in finding a job or going to work.

The Giving cash in hand is part of the wrong sytem.
Why not have a JSA card. Things to be paid via card so it can all be tracked.

E.g.
JSA gives 60 odd pound per week into your JSA account, which you get given a chip and pin card to make transactions for food, travel, bills ect. Cash cannot be taken out.
When a review time comes, all they have to do is pull up the account on the computer system to see if they been splashing out in currys pc world.

This devides/controls the money, but does not necessarily stop extraordinary purchasing.

Its all about the income to the household. Im sure a family can have saved funds to buy whatever they want and still claim for benifits.
Being jobless can last years legitimately, so some peoples point is that they should have nothing worth value,
So whats selling a wide screen tv and a fancy mobile phone at used prices going to pay? Maybe enough stuff for a month at best? Then they are left with F all and then YOUR fancy wide screen and YOUR personal mobile phone will be at a higher risk of being stolen due to times of desperation.


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