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President Obama authorises air-strikes on Islamist barbarians

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Original post by Lukec95
whether the US get criticised or not, Israel get criticised 10 times over, the last few weeks are testament to that even though they have more reason than most to act as they did

Well to be fair the state of Israel was created through bloodshed, through the massacres and displacement of thousands of Palestinians, of which the persecution continues to this day. So the criticism of Israel is justified.
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Original post by broscience123
Well to be fair the state of Israel was created through bloodshed, through the massacres and displacement of thousands of Palestinians, of which the persecution continues to this day. So the criticism of Israel is justified.

Assad's war has claimed the lives of more civilians than Israel has done since the re-establishment of the state yet we would never critics the Assad regime as much as Israel's
The USA always reminds me of the famous dicta of Julius Ceasar:
"If they won't be peaceful then kill them all".
Original post by Marky Mark
Why don't they bomb Israel while they're at it as well?



And it''s funny hearing that America wants to help when they created the mess in the first place.



What's more shocking about this whole thing is that the christian population inside iraq is very low compared to the Muslims (both shia/sunni), including the kurds. Going into a country to save a minority of it's citizens while killing the majority seems completely ridiculous to me. But ofc people will support America and see them as the heroes they truly are. :wink:


I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or not. They aren't planning to kill the majority of the Iraqis, which would be over 18 million people, and the people Obama has stepped in to save aren't Christians, they're Yazidis. By attacking ISIS now they will help prevent many more deaths, a lot of whom would be Muslims.

Would you prefer if America did nothing and allowed ISIS to continue raping and murdering its way through Iraq?
Original post by MostUncivilised
It's not entirely a stretch. Both organisations want to murder gay people simply for their sexuality, both organisations believe women are lesser beings. Both organisations have decimated the ancient Christian communities in the areas they control.



The primary responsibility for the current Palestinian situation lies with Egypt and Jordan. Egypt controlled Gaza in 1967 before the Six Day War, and Jordan controlled the West Bank. Israel did not want war with Egypt, and it begged King Hussein of Jordan to stay his hand, not to attack and they would do likewise. Unfortunately the hatred of Jews outstripped their military sense, and they attacked and got their arses handed to them



Indeed. But it provides a marvellous indictment of hypocritical Western leftists (and I say this as a socialist). Leftists say, in respect of Syria, that we cannot ignore the Islamist orientation of the rebellion, that Assad protects Christians and religious minorities, and so on. And yet, when it comes to Hamas, they turn that on its head and suport the Islamist terrorists who are destroying Christian communities. Especially given Syria involves about 100 times as many Muslim civilian deaths as Gaza. One must question why they become so histrionic when it involves Israel, the only Jewish country in the world

In view of all the global Geo Political implications and consequences of the Gaza situation the future of gay people does seem at least relatively insignificant. The world does not revolve around the unusual sexual preferences of a small minority of men.
Original post by OMG TOOTHBRUSH
I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or not. They aren't planning to kill the majority of the Iraqis, which would be over 18 million people, and the people Obama has stepped in to save aren't Christians, they're Yazidis. By attacking ISIS now they will help prevent many more deaths, a lot of whom would be Muslims.

Would you prefer if America did nothing and allowed ISIS to continue raping and murdering its way through Iraq?




America is there for a reason and it's not what they want us to believe. If you honestly believe that Obama and co' are doing this to help save innocents you're a fool. No words to describe how naive you are.

If there was oil in Gaza obama would've been all over that. Shame really.


I think the West, particularly America, should stay out of Iraq. David Cameron has the right idea. America and Blair caused what's going on now.


I don't see how it makes sense to drone bomb people i.e resort to murder of a large group of people if you're against what ISIS is doing.
Original post by samba
Maybe they should bomb Russia too m8?


Why not?


If they want to save innocents they should help everyone not Iraq which is very, very convenient.



:puke:
Original post by Marky Mark

What's more shocking about this whole thing is that the christian population inside iraq is very low compared to the Muslims (both shia/sunni), including the kurds. Going into a country to save a minority of it's citizens while killing the majority seems completely ridiculous to me. But ofc people will support America and see them as the heroes they truly are. :wink:


Are you seriously suggesting that thousands of innocent people should simply be left to die at the hands of ISIS simply because they are a minority?

The fact that Christians (and Yazidis) are a minority makes them more vulnerable and more in need of protection. And protection does not involve "killing the majority" either - ISIS fighters are not a majority of Iraq's population.

American foreign policy is terrible at times, but this is a rare case where American action is 100% justified.
Original post by RFowler
Are you seriously suggesting that thousands of innocent people should simply be left to die at the hands of ISIS simply because they are a minority?

The fact that Christians (and Yazidis) are a minority makes them more vulnerable and more in need of protection. And protection does not involve "killing the majority" either - ISIS fighters are not a majority of Iraq's population.

American foreign policy is terrible at times, but this is a rare case where American action is 100% justified.



People are dying everywhere.
Original post by Marky Mark
America is there for a reason and it's not what they want us to believe. If you honestly believe that Obama and co' are doing this to help save innocents you're a fool. No words to describe how naive you are.

If there was oil in Gaza obama would've been all over that. Shame really.

I don't care what their reasons are, I'm just glad they're finally taking action to prevent ISIS murdering more people.

I think the West, particularly America, should stay out of Iraq. David Cameron has the right idea. America and Blair caused what's going on now.



I don't see how it makes sense to drone bomb people i.e resort to murder of a large group of people if you're against what ISIS is doing.

This is very flawed logic. You're assuming that because I'm opposed to ISIS murdering thousands of civilians I should be opposed to America bombing ISIS to stop them killing more people. Strangely enough I value the lives of the civilians more than I value the lives of their murderers.



As above. Also, would you honestly prefer if America sat back and let ISIS continue with what they've been doing?
ISIS and Hamas must be removed at any cost.
Original post by Marky Mark
People are dying everywhere.


So?

The fact that people are dying in other parts of the world does not make the situation in Iraq any better, nor does it make America's latest military action wrong. The existence of one humanitarian crisis does not make other humanitarian crises elsewhere any better.
Kill them all (ISIS). Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent, they have already made it clear war ethics do not apply to them any petty concern with morality will lead to a greater loss of lives. These people need to be removed by any means possible.
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Original post by Marky Mark
Why don't they bomb Israel while they're at it as well?



And it''s funny hearing that America wants to help when they created the mess in the first place.



What's more shocking about this whole thing is that the christian population inside iraq is very low compared to the Muslims (both shia/sunni), including the kurds. Going into a country to save a minority of it's citizens while killing the majority seems completely ridiculous to me. But ofc people will support America and see them as the heroes they truly are. :wink:


America are heroes, never forget that
Original post by DErasmus
Kill them all (ISIS). Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent, they have already made it clear war ethics do not apply to them any petty concern with morality will lead to a greater loss of lives. These people need to be removed by any means possible.


Original post by Lukec95
America are heroes, never forget that



Trolls
Original post by RFowler
So?

The fact that people are dying in other parts of the world does not make the situation in Iraq any better, nor does it make America's latest military action wrong. The existence of one humanitarian crisis does not make other humanitarian crises elsewhere any better.



It does make their action wrong because it makes them look like opportunists using the media to warp the public's perception of what's really going on. I do not agree with ISIS and I detest them however America swooping in to save the day is just too ridiculous for me to begin to even fathom. And I'm shocked by how people are supporting ISIS extermination by drones which may in fact harm innocents.


Two wrongs don't make a right.



Will America fix gaza situation as well? Or does it pick it's fight to suit it's agenda? :s-smilie:
Original post by Marky Mark
Trolls


It does make their action wrong because it makes them look like opportunists using the media to warp the public's perception of what's really going on. I do not agree with ISIS and I detest them however America swooping in to save the day is just too ridiculous for me to begin to even fathom. And I'm shocked by how people are supporting ISIS extermination by drones which may in fact harm innocents.


Two wrongs don't make a right.



Will America fix gaza situation as well? Or does it pick it's fight to suit it's agenda? :s-smilie:


How is it trolling to point out that these people need to die? I don't care about your little morality problems, people are being tortured and killed.
Some people on here who blame America for everything need to get a grip.
Original post by MostUncivilised
Completely agree with you dude.

The Yezidi have had a really rough time throughout history, they have quite Gnostic religious beliefs and were accused by the Ottomans of being devil worshipers, so they suffered terrible persecution.

They are an ancient and proud religion; admittedly, quite different from Islam or Christianity, but that doesn't mean they deserve to be murdered. They should be protected, it would be a terrible loss to humanity to lose their cultural heritage


It's a bit gay that we've just heard of their plight. It's probably like, to us, if Druids and Wicca were living segregated from the rest of British society and then we start killing them. Terrible. Glad something positive is coming out from all this.
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Original post by Marky Mark
Trolls


It does make their action wrong because it makes them look like opportunists using the media to warp the public's perception of what's really going on. I do not agree with ISIS and I detest them however America swooping in to save the day is just too ridiculous for me to begin to even fathom. And I'm shocked by how people are supporting ISIS extermination by drones which may in fact harm innocents.


Two wrongs don't make a right.



Will America fix gaza situation as well? Or does it pick it's fight to suit it's agenda? :s-smilie:


Saying innocents may die is not an argument here. It is a choice between the risk of low civilian casualties or a promise of tens of thousands dying in what would amount to genocide. What exactly do you want to see here? The world doing nothing?

The gaza situation is completely different to this one so comparisons are irrelevant. Especially since they have done a lot to try to fix the situation but it requires a vastly different approach. Yes America does pick fights to suit it's agenda, that's hardly a criticism, that's just how states work.
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Original post by Bill_Gates
ISIS and Hamas must be removed at any cost.


Another attempt to equate Hamas directly with ISIS. We await any evidence that they are linked in any way, beyond press releases from the IDF and Likud.

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