Why are all Africa&#x27;s problems blamed on the West?

Original post by Dr Alcoholic

No you are an ignorant fool with no knowledge of history beyond your own backward, nationalistic, sensationalised drivel.

Simply google search african development pre colonialism and you will find multitudes of articles expressing what I just said. Simply saying 'it's not true' and calling me a liar does not make it so.

sub saharan africans were nomadic hunter gatherers living a stone age existence.

there was no sub sharan african development before europeans arrived

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Original post by Sir Fox

Aaahahahahaha ... Wait, you're serious. It was a dictatorship with opposition members being tortured and welfare only for those who didn't dare to criticise anything.

I think we don't have to argue about the fact that colonialism was bad and trade and cooperation through mutual respect would've been the way to go.

I am 100% serious, Libya today is a failed state all thanks to Western Intervention. Libya is no longer in a position to nationalise its oil or negotiate with Mutli Billion Dollar Oil Companies for royalities on a equal footing as feared in Wikileaks.

People were not being tortured on the streets daily like you imply and no welfare was for everyone regardless of tribe or creed.

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castlemadeofsand

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Original post by wonderandmystery

There were violence as an inherent part of African culture long before the Western imperialism if Africa was important. Look at Shaka the chieftain who used to kill his soldiers for the slightest of infractions. So why must slavery and "imperialism" ( the former of which involved Africans as much if not more than Whites and was practiced by Africa long after European civilisation has abolished it) be used poorly as the scapegoat for the cause of all Africa's problems?

European history collectively can probably demonstrate far more gross abuses of humanity than any other region, whether it be the massacre of Jews, Slavs, Gypsies and other 'undesirables', the descendants of the English settlers cultural genocide of the Aboriginals, the wiping out of the native population of North America, the violent massacre of men, women and children captured during the crusades (even the 'barbaric' Saracens treated their prisoners better) etc the list is endless.

Europeans are not necessarily more prepositioned to violence in the same way that contemporary Africa is not necessarily more prepositioned to violence, there are reasons for both. Europeans happened in recent epochs to emerge as the strongest powers and so used that power, even when ugly, to maintain their dominance.

Whether it was the English militarily forcing China to commit its population to drug induced misery whilst simultaneously banning opium at home or America dropping the atomic bomb on two non-military targets in Japan in order to demonstrate to the world the beginning of a new era of US dominance, European cultures used violence to maintain their hegemony.

Africa has been introduced into the global system in a very distorted way. When a country is made economically subservient to another with no social programs and all money going towards the extraction of its primary resources and transport of those resources to another country, even after independence their economies were going to be skewered. All African countries could do was export primary resources rather than manufactured goods as they simply didn't have the capability to make them. This made them vulnerable to changes in the global system and after the oil embargo led to their forced taking out of huge extortionate loans in order to continue functioning, they were tied down once again to the whim of other countries and organizations. Any progress on a social front was ordered to be discontinued and all efforts were demanded to be focused on the extraction and export of their primary resources in order to pay the growing debt. As these states began to be unable to satisfy the legitimate demands of their people, they became more and more repressive which in turn created a disgruntled population who were ready to other throw their now repressive governments. Coupled with the outside hands of European powers trying to maintain their influence in these countries, the situation turned pretty ugly pretty quickly and political violence flourished. Every day violence such can also be attributed to this situation of events and break down of law and order. In the same way that you are more likely to encounter violent crime in the ghettos of the Bronx than you would at the much richer Long Island area, the abject poverty seen in some Sub-Saharan African countries also creates this violence. Mix this in with an increasing desensitization to violence by many populations who have witnessed it every day and so become less adverse to using it themselves, you have a pretty messy situation of which western imperialism has played and continues to play a rather large part.

Original post by wonderandmystery

I know that Asian culture has given the world a lot so has Arab culture (until the 18th century or even before that, since then little but conflict) and European culture has perhaps given the most to the world, but African culture seems to have given the world very little in terms of technology and science. So examples to the contrary are welcome (not rap music that is a horrific violation of culture).

This isn't really true and probably exhibits the hangover of racism seen during the colonial days. Many still have it in their head of Africa as a violent and backward place and few have any idea of the various great empires that once stood on the continent. Perception plays a big part for example, everyone knows about how great the Ancient Egyptians were yet few would associate them with an example of how advanced a part of Africa at one point was. Also, Rap music was born in the East coast of America.

Look up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_Africa

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Original post by James222

I am 100% serious, Libya today is a failed state all thanks to Western Intervention. Libya is no longer in a position to nationalise its oil or negotiate with Mutli Billion Dollar Oil Companies for royalities on a equal footing as feared in Wikileaks.

People were not being tortured on the streets daily like you imply and no welfare was for everyone regardless of tribe or creed.

so westerners are controlling the minds of people and making them torture people on the streets of libya ?

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capitalismstinks

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It's a common trait to blame your own failures on other people.

Colonialism introduced the modern world to Africa. It's up to them what they do with it. If they fail it's their own fault.

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Original post by HeritageofEurope

so westerners are controlling the minds of people and making them torture people on the streets of libya ?

When you go about Systematically destroying the Army,Police and Civil Governance System, you reduce a country to chaos and empower criminals.

What happened in England during the summer riots ? England would be like that every day of the year for the next 50 years if someone came and destroyed the police and army.

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Original post by James222

When you go about Systematically destroying the Army,Police and Civil Governance System, you reduce a country to chaos and empower criminals.

What happened in England during the summer riots ? England would be like that every day of the year for the next 50 years if someone came and destroyed the police and army.

but it was the libyans who did that not the west :confused:

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Original post by HeritageofEurope

but it was the libyans who did that not the west :confused:

No it was NATO along with British and American Citizens who used to hold Libyan Citizenship ....
I see why your confused you dont even know history from less than 4 years ago

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Original post by James222

No it was NATO along with British and American Citizens who used to hold Libyan Citizenship ....
I see why your confused you dont even know history from less than 4 years ago

no it was actually the libyans.

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Original post by HeritageofEurope

no it was actually the libyans.

so your denying the fact NATO launched air strikes all over Libya ? and targetted TV stations,power stations and anything it could call a command and control centre ?

Your denying Dutch Special Forces were captured by Libya ? Your deying the SAS and CIA forces on the ground directed offensive air support from Fighter Jets ?

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Original post by James222

so your denying the fact NATO launched air strikes all over Libya ? and targetted TV stations,power stations and anything it could call a command and control centre ?

Your denying Dutch Special Forces were captured by Libya ? Your deying the SAS and CIA forces on the ground directed offensive air support from Fighter Jets ?

nope i am not denying that. are you denying that it was the libyans who initiated their own uprising ??

nato only supported the libyans. it was the libyan people who started their own uprising.

the libyans are responsible for that and solely responsible for that. the libyan people thanked nato for their assistance dip****

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Original post by HeritageofEurope

nope i am not denying that. are you denying that it was the libyans who initiated their own uprising ??

nato only supported the libyans. it was the libyan people who started their own uprising.

the libyans are responsible for that and solely responsible for that. the libyan people thanked nato for their assistance dip****

yes im denying libyans or bengazians a small eastern tribe of the former king initiated the uprising, it was not a massmovement. NATO was supposed to protect civilians instead it opted for regime change. What do power stations and TV stations have to do with protecting civilians ? NATO ( well less than half of NATO countries supported the mission) went into to destroy a country reduce it to chaos and achieved its goals.

Did NATO ask every single Libyan ? Did the Libyans defeat the state or was it NATO ? who ultimately won the civil war? nato or the rebels. and if you it wasnt nato your stupider than I thought. NATO changed the balance of power and destroyed the entire governance structure, that makes the west responsible not Abul in Libya with his anti gaddafi poster.

hhaahha Libyan people thanked NATO ?? the ones the BBC invited to go on the screens ?? You spoken to black libyans who have been chucked out of homes and been reduced to beggars.

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Original post by James222

yes im denying libyans or bengazians a small eastern tribe of the former king initiated the uprising, it was not a massmovement. NATO was supposed to protect civilians instead it opted for regime change. What do power stations and TV stations have to do with protecting civilians ? NATO ( well less than half of NATO countries supported the mission) went into to destroy a country reduce it to chaos and achieved its goals.

Did NATO ask every single Libyan ? Did the Libyans defeat the state or was it NATO ? who ultimately won the civil war? nato or the rebels. and if you it wasnt nato your stupider than I thought.

hhaahha Libyan people thanked NATO ?? the ones the BBC invited to go on the screens ?? You spoken to black libyans who have been chucked out of homes and been reduced to beggars.

it was the libyans who initiated that uprising whether you like that fact or not :frown:

end of conversation

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Truths

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Because Africa was perfectly fine how it was before colonization.

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