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Is it offensive for a gay bar to say 'gay people only'?

Here's the sign in question:



I've walked past it before, I can see both sides of the coin.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/08/12/is-it-really-offensive-for-a-gay-bar-to-say-that-its-only-for-gay-clientele-and-their-friends

The user comments in this article are really interesting and worth reading!

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How is anyone going to know you're not gay?
No bi people allowed? :s-smilie: :frown:
Reply 3
To me this sort of sign just implies that this is a bar where people come to pull, rather than a bar for people who want to drink and socialise. Given that on a night out I'm interested in the latter and not the former, I'd give this place a wide berth.
I wouldn't enter anyways lol

But what about bi people??
The Girl Guides refuse entry to boys despite the Boy Scouts allowing girls, yet a gay bar gets targeted for not wanting hordes of hen parties (it happens) or straight lads going in 'for a dare'.

the wording could be improved, however.
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Reply 6
At canal street in manchester they practically screen you at the door. If they get a feeling you're not gay, they say they're full or that you simply can't come in. I don't think it's offensive.
Despite how it's worded, it would be called an advisory notice. They can't kick anyone out - since there's no easy way to tell, but if you're straight and you go in there, you're gonna have an awkward / bad time.
Original post by ldsbabe
At canal street in manchester they practically screen you at the door. If they get a feeling you're not gay, they say they're full or that you simply can't come in. I don't think it's offensive.


So if they fulfill the gay stereotype, they can come in? I know a lot of LGBT+ people who definitely don't act their stereotypes.
I don't think it's offensive, I think 'gay people and their friends' just clarifies that straight people can enter but they don't want large groups of only straight people acting like tourists (which stag and hen parties sometimes do).



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Gay bars are a popular destination for hen parties - and groups of girls in general - because they offer a 'safe' environment where they can party without being hit on constantly by guys. I can understand this, and girls are overwhelmingly gay- friendly.

however, the lads have picked up on this, and sadly are too often a problem when they come in after the girls. You will never see violent behaviour at a gay pub or club unless a straight guy is involved, sorry guys, but it's true.
Original post by SecretDuck
So if they fulfill the gay stereotype, they can come in? I know a lot of LGBT+ people who definitely don't act their stereotypes.


Not necessarily. I think for example, GAY in Manchester has the same door people week in week out, they're gay themselves from what I've gathered. They know the regulars, and they know for example, groups of straight lads who aren't gay and who may be a cause of trouble. I'm not gay, and I get in so it's not as if they don't let any straight people in. But they are selective, and rightly so.
Original post by Truro_Student
Gay bars are a popular destination for hen parties - and groups of girls in general - because they offer a 'safe' environment where they can party without being hit on constantly by guys. I can understand this, and girls are overwhelmingly gay- friendly.

however, the lads have picked up on this, and sadly are too often a problem when they come in after the girls. You will never see violent behaviour at a gay pub or club unless a straight guy is involved, sorry guys, but it's true.


So true!!
Reply 13
There's a club in Edinburgh known to decide it's member's only if they don't want to let you in, which they do if they don't think you're gay or bi or queer. I know a bi guy who has been refused entry for it. I believe it's pretty much the same in a good few clubs/bars in Manchester. I can understand not wanting people playing tourist but there's no reasonable way to enforce it.

Dominant/majority groups complaining that they are being discriminated against pisses me off though.
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Original post by ldsbabe
Not necessarily. I think for example, GAY in Manchester has the same door people week in week out, they're gay themselves from what I've gathered. They know the regulars, and they know for example, groups of straight lads who aren't gay and who may be a cause of trouble. I'm not gay, and I get in so it's not as if they don't let any straight people in. But they are selective, and rightly so.


A gay friend of mine can't get in that bar because he was touted to be too "laddish" to get in.
Original post by SecretDuck
A gay friend of mine can't get in that bar because he was touted to be too "laddish" to get in.


Gutted
I'm fairly sure straight people are allowed inside, though there might be little point in it.
If this was flipped around (i remember when a hotel was sued by a gay couple because they weren't allowed to stay) then there would be outrage for discrimination. I am fine with this but then let hotels and other restaurants be a gay free zone if they wish to as well...
Original post by rockrunride
How is anyone going to know you're not gay?


This is one of the problems I have with it. If you don't purport to a gay stereotype, you're not allowed in...?

A dear friend said - 'must show proof of grindr account on entry' :wink: :tongue:

I think in the end it's just a poor wording choice.
Wear a t-shirt saying something like "******!" and they'll let you in - i mean it's like proof! :wink:
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