Does anyone here deny the holocaust?

I think that the goverment has manipulated lots of the information in order to make people more sympathetic to Israel and the zionist movement but thankfully zionism is becoming more and more hated in the west so soon we may have a non zionist goverment in britain or france who will allow the full truth regarding the holocaust to be conversed freely.

Reply 21

Weenja

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Original post by SpikeyTeeth

Your post is confusing. Are you saying that belief in "The Holocaust" ( which.no one has cared to define here) is like belief in a government conspiracy theory or disbelief in the Holocaust is like a belief in a government conspiracy theory.

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Sorry, what im saying is that denying the holocaust happened is like believing in a government conspiracy theory. Its the minority who seek to disprove the majority.

Would like to add that im with the majority, its illegal to deny the holocaust because the act is so disrespectful and unpatriotic that it ought to be criminalised.

I do understand reasons why someone may think our only knowledge of the holocaust comes from media and biased sources, and the winners write history etc etc. for example many people think hitler only had one testicle, because the uk and france and others made propaganda to make hitler seem more evil. Maybe im wrong and they spreaded that he was homosexual, its one of the two

Reply 22

SpikeyTeeth

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Original post by PythianLegume

It's not like the Nazis were keeping records that they then handed over willingly to the Allies...

I suggest anyone harboring ideas around Holocaust Denial read this incredibly detailed rebuttal: http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar01.html

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SpikeyTeeth

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Original post by Weenja

Sorry, what im saying is that denying the holocaust happened is like believing in a government conspiracy theory. Its the minority who seek to disprove the majority.

Would like to add that im with the majority, its illegal to deny the holocaust because the act is so disrespectful and unpatriotic that it ought to be criminalised.

I do understand reasons why someone may think our only knowledge of the holocaust comes from media and biased sources, and the winners write history etc etc. for example many people think hitler only had one testicle, because the uk and france and others made propaganda to make hitler seem more evil. Maybe im wrong and they spreaded that he was homosexual, its one of the two

So is believing in the Holocaust also believing an a conspiracy of the German government against Jews, Homosexuals etc. So by your logic its a ridiculous belief right?

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jillymayr

why would anyone deny something that actually happened?

Reply 25

username878045

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Original post by SpikeyTeeth

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I'm guessing you didn't read the link, then?

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M1011

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Original post by SpikeyTeeth

Do you have an a source for this number based on actual source evidence at the time of the Second World War as opposed to say a recent book or film, or speculation?

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Did I claim to?

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Andy98

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Who would deny that?

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Reply 28

Balizarde

Original post by jillymayr

why would anyone deny something that actually happened?

Because they're ignorant.

Reply 29

Autistic Merit

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Original post by SpikeyTeeth

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I'm not reading all of that. I want a yes or no answer, do you believe that millions of Jews, Romanis, homosexuals, disabled people etc. were murdered by the Nazis? Just yes or no.

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Rodger That

Original post by Autistic Merit

I'm not reading all of that. I want a yes or no answer, do you believe that millions of Jews, Romanis, homosexuals, disabled people etc. were murdered by the Nazis? Just yes or no.

maybe

Reply 31

Autistic Merit

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Original post by Rodger That

maybe

Well you've just posted half a dozen links to articles and tonnes of photos and you say 'maybe'!?

Kinda felt that you would be a bit more sure than that!

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Rodger That

Original post by Autistic Merit

Well you've just posted half a dozen links to articles and tonnes of photos and you say 'maybe'!?

Kinda felt that you would be a bit more sure than that!

I'm waiting for the end of zionist control of western media before I fully make up my mind, I don't think all the evidence is out yet.

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SpikeyTeeth

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Original post by Autistic Merit

I'm not reading all of that. I want a yes or no answer, do you believe that millions of Jews, Romanis, homosexuals, disabled people etc. were murdered by the Nazis? Just yes or no.

No not millions murdered. Perhaps a few thousand shot for disobeying orders. And Hundreds of thousands of deaths in the concentration camps mainly by Typhus disease towards the end of the war and some from starvation at the end of the war.

Of course I am talking strictly about non-military deaths here.

(edited 9 years ago)

Reply 34

xmertic

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Original post by ganjasaurus.

I've just watched a documentary and before this did not know that people actually denied the holocaust.
Care to give your opinions.

Anyone who denies the holocaust is an ill-informed, easily influenced and probably gullible nincompoop. The fact people deny just shows pure idiocy :/

Reply 35

ageshallnot

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Original post by SpikeyTeeth

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SpikeyTeeth posted exactly this post on another thread:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2784895&page=6

Below is my detailed rebuttal, to which he barely replied.

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I don't see how you can claim that 'before 1985 the number that died was 285,000'. It wasn't as if there was a sudden leap in that year? Or are you referring solely to the Red Cross figures? I have already responded to those. The much smaller figure was based on documents, and therefore unreliable given the order to destroy all traces of what happened.

The next set of seven documents you provide, regarding the death rate in the camps again only tell part of the story. The attested procedure was for some camp arrivals to be killed on arrival while some were kept for war work. There was always pressure from above (e.g. Speer) to keep workers alive to sustain the under-pressure war effort. This is borne out by the following two documents you provide.

Regarding the Sobibor documents: These are a classic case of how the Nazis concealed their true actions. Euphemisms such as 'transit camp' or whatever were used as part of official policy to hide the killings.

I am not just plucking this argument out of the air. In April 1943 Himmler wrote to Kaltenbrunner (who had succeeded Heydrich) regarding statistics on the Final Solution. He said the report had been 'well executed for the purposes of camouflage', that it could not be published or read by anyone else. Furthermore, the next day Rudolf Brandt (a close aide to Himmler) wrote to the inspector of statistics and told him to further refine language when referring to the Final Solution - the phrase 'special treatment' was no longer acceptable and more anodyne words such as 'transport' were to be used instead.

Further evidence of this comes from Eichmann, who admitted that the language in the minutes of the Wannsee Conference did not reflect the discussions which had taken place - when 'killing, elimination and annihilation' were openly used.

This obviously applies to the Sobibor documents you provide. As for Sobibor's true function, why do you refuse to accept the evidence of the many Nazis who worked there e.g. Fuchs, Stangl and Bauer? The latter estimated that 350,00 Jews had been gassed there.

You contend that it is 'a bit too convenient' that the main death camps were in the east, and therefore out of [US Army pathologist Charles] Larson's reach. No, it is in fact entirely logical that the Nazis located them there. Firstly, most of the Jews and others they wanted to kill were located there. Secondly, they were very sensitive about being found out (see above) especially since opposition to their T4 programme to kill handicapped or mentally ill Germans.

I think that signage is appalling, tbh. However, weren't the library, pool and other facilities for the guards and trusted inmates?

You have spent a lot of energy trying to pick holes in individual elements of the whole story. Is it just the gassings and camp death numbers that you disbelieve? Do you accept other elements of Nazi atrocities such as carried out by the Einsatzgruppen? The T4 programme mentioned above? [The mass murder of handicapped Germans] The fact that Generalplan Ost would have resulted in the deaths of millions? The so-called 'Hunger Plan' - officially adopted prior to the invasion of the USSR - which involved the conscious starvation of up to 20 million Russians?

Reply 36

Fezzick123

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Original post by SpikeyTeeth

No not millions murdered. Perhaps a few thousand shot for disobeying orders. And Hundreds of thousands of deaths in the concentration camps mainly by Typhus disease towards the end of the war and some from starvation at the end of the war.

Of course I am talking strictly about non-military deaths here.

Not even the slightest mention of the gas chambers here. Hmmmmm.

Me...

I believe the numbers were exaggerated, but I do believe it all happened.

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Reply 39

Ttank

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Original post by ganjasaurus.

I've just watched a documentary and before this did not know that people actually denied the holocaust.
Care to give your opinions.

Yes I deny the Holocaust. I think a large number of people died from starvation and diseases in German concentration camps at the end of the war as opposed to gas chambers.

Think about it, they say all the woman and children were gassed upon entry to the camps yet they also say there were dying women and children in the final days. They can't BOTH be true.

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