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How do I differentiate y= lnsinx ?

I tried using the chain rule so let u = sin x

So y= ln u

dy/du = 1/u ---> 1/sinx

u=sin x

du/dx = ?

What is du/dx of sin x?

Thanks :smile:

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Original post by Super199
How do I differentiate y= lnsinx ?

I tried using the chain rule so let u = sin x

So y= ln u

dy/du = 1/u ---> 1/sinx

u=sin x

du/dx = ?

What is du/dx of sin x?

Thanks :smile:


cos(x)...

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Reply 2
Original post by Arithmeticae

Right I got dy/dx= cot(x)

Are you just supposed to know the dy/dx of sin(x)=cos(x)?
Is there any other one's to know?
Original post by Super199
Right I got dy/dx= cot(x)

Are you just supposed to know the dy/dx of sin(x)=cos(x)?
Is there any other one's to know?


yes

d/dx cos(x) = -sin(x)

most of the rest can be derived from these

btw it's a bad habit to write stuff like 'what is the dy/dx of cos(x)' because there's no y involved

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Reply 4
There are a lot you need to know

Differentiating ->

sinx -> cos x
cosx -> -sinx
tanx -> sec^2x
cosecx -> -cosecxcotx
secx -> secxtanx
cotx -> -cosec^2x

Its a good idea to memorise them all ! Helps doing these questions much faster
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Reply 5
Original post by Super199
Right I got dy/dx= cot(x)

Are you just supposed to know the dy/dx of sin(x)=cos(x)?
Is there any other one's to know?


In terms of trig, you need to know the derivatives of sin(x) and cos(x). Everything else, like tan(x), can be deduced using those plus trig identities and the normal differentiation rules.

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Original post by Dalilsp
There are a lot you need to know

Differentiating ->

sinx -> cos x
cosx -> -sinx
tanx -> sec^2x
cosecx -> cosecxcotx
secx -> secxtanx
cotx -> cosec^2x

Its a good idea to memorise them all ! Helps doing these questions much faster


Original post by Krollo
In terms of trig, you need to know the derivatives of sin(x) and cos(x). Everything else, like tan(x), can be deduced using those plus trig identities and the normal differentiation rules.

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Is there a video you can link me to explaining these? Thanks for the help :smile:
Reply 7
Original post by Arithmeticae
yes

d/dx cos(x) = -sin(x)

most of the rest can be derived from these

btw it's a bad habit to write stuff like 'what is the dy/dx of cos(x)' because there's no y involved

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It's perfectly normal to, stop spreading incorrect methods...
Reply 8
This is a video talking about differentiating specifically trig functions.. and this is a link to a long series of videos in which you can learn the entire Core maths syllabus from youtube :smile: For C3, just keep scrolling down!

Hope this helped!
Original post by Krollo
In terms of trig, you need to know the derivatives of sin(x) and cos(x). Everything else, like tan(x), can be deduced using those plus trig identities and the normal differentiation rules.

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Nobody wants to be "deducing" simple trig functions in an exam. They should be instinctive.
Reply 10
Original post by Vixanate
It's perfectly normal to, stop spreading incorrect methods...


I would disagree.. Unless the equation being differentiated is y = cos (x), its fine to use dy/dx.. but however when just talking about the derivate of a trig function not being used in an equation, you would write d/dx(cos(x)) because there is no "y". Depends on the question and the way the answer is written out.
Original post by Vixanate
It's perfectly normal to, stop spreading incorrect methods...

No it's not. It is very sloppy notation.
Original post by Dalilsp
There are a lot you need to know

Differentiating ->

sinx -> cos x
cosx -> -sinx
tanx -> sec^2x
cosecx -> cosecxcotx
secx -> secxtanx
cotx -> cosec^2x

Its a good idea to memorise them all ! Helps doing these questions much faster


Not a big fan of the formula book then?
Original post by Vixanate
It's perfectly normal to, stop spreading incorrect methods...


It's only true if y = cosx, the easiest way is to simply write an apostrophe next to the function e.g (cosx)'
Original post by Super199
Is there a video you can link me to explaining these? Thanks for the help :smile:

Did you take any notes at all ?
Reply 15
Original post by Mr M
Not a big fan of the formula book then?


Absolutely not. Dependance on the formula book is a big no no.. You should know what you are doing without any help at this stage - or if you will study maths further than A-level.
Original post by Mr M
Not a big fan of the formula book then?

Surprisingly common. Many students never open the thing.
Reply 17
Original post by Mr M
Not a big fan of the formula book then?


The formula book might have it but at the end of the day it is quicker to memorise them then faff about with the formula book.

I found the book took up more space on my desk then it was worth (except for in stats haha)
Reply 18
Original post by Old_Simon
Did you take any notes at all ?

Haven't started the class yet brah (y)
Original post by Super199
Haven't started the class yet brah (y)

Ok cool. Check out Exam Solutions web site to get started.

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