If it had been 1400 Muslim children who had been abused...
...by gangs of white men, what would be the difference in reporting? On plenty of lefty websites there hasn't been a peep about the Rotherham scandal, never mind stating the blatantly obvious fact that there is a massive racial issue going on where Muslim men prey on and harass young white girls for sex.
One thousand four hundred children raped by Pakistani men in the one town.
What is the Islamic community going to do about the serious issues that clearly plague their religion?
One thousand four hundred children raped by Pakistani men in the one town.
What is the Islamic community going to do about the serious issues that clearly plague their religion?
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Original post by RFC1872
...by gangs of white men, what would be the difference in reporting? On plenty of lefty websites there hasn't been a peep about the Rotherham scandal, never mind stating the blatantly obvious fact that there is a massive racial issue going on where Muslim men prey young white girls for sex.
One thousand four hundred children raped by Pakistani men in the one town.
What is the Islamic community going to do about the serious issues that clearly plague their religion?
One thousand four hundred children raped by Pakistani men in the one town.
What is the Islamic community going to do about the serious issues that clearly plague their religion?
Why the hell should they do anything? The whole Islamic community didn't molest the children, members of the community did. Should white British people as a whole have to do something about white paedophiles, such as Jimmy Saville et al.?
What do you expect the Islamic community to do about it? These men are in the absolute minority of Muslims who commit these acts, and no community is going to change their minds. They obviously either don't care that much about following their religion and claim to be Muslim anyway, or they really believe they are Muslim and are actually doing the right thing. Either way, the Muslim community can do nothing except sit back and let people realise that not all Muslims are like this.
Religious leaders in Islam cannot physically do anything; if they tell these men they are in the wrong, the men will just tell the leaders that the leaders are following the religion wrongly, and only they know the right way to follow it and are doing so. Islam is meant to be a religion of peace, so you are not going to get an army of Muslims hunting down these men and tearing them limb from limb.
I'm not a Muslim, but a sensible atheist.
Religious leaders in Islam cannot physically do anything; if they tell these men they are in the wrong, the men will just tell the leaders that the leaders are following the religion wrongly, and only they know the right way to follow it and are doing so. Islam is meant to be a religion of peace, so you are not going to get an army of Muslims hunting down these men and tearing them limb from limb.
I'm not a Muslim, but a sensible atheist.
The ****ing authorities need to do something about this, and stop being so afraid of the race card.
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Why do you expect the Muslim community to be responsible for the actions of a few ****ed up people? It was a group of people working independently from the community that were involved in the rape.
The problem here is a cultural issue, and as much as I hate using this term Pakistan seems to have more of a rape culture (porn searches stats, corrupt legal system, more rapes etc.) Most Pakistani Brits are sensible enough to have gotten rid of these archaic ideas but ofc there will be a few that refuse to let go of their traditions.
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The problem here is a cultural issue, and as much as I hate using this term Pakistan seems to have more of a rape culture (porn searches stats, corrupt legal system, more rapes etc.) Most Pakistani Brits are sensible enough to have gotten rid of these archaic ideas but ofc there will be a few that refuse to let go of their traditions.
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Original post by BlukuBluku2013
Why the hell should they do anything? The whole Islamic community didn't molest the children, members of the community did. Should white British people as a whole have to do something about white paedophiles, such as Jimmy Saville et al.?
There are white paedophiles, that is a fact. That cannot be stopped as sick as they are. HOWEVER, there has not been one single shred of evidence of white men targeting Islamic children. These are Muslim men preying on white children, that is clearly a racial issue. It is also not a coincidence that these stories are becoming more frequent.
There is a massive issue in Islam with a lot of men's attitudes towards sex, women, children and non-Muslim's in general. It's the reason why Pakistan is the leader in terms of sex attacks on children. 1400 children in Rotherham all raped by Pakistani men.
Is that something we're just going to say "well it happens everywhere, it's only a minority"? What about the Rochdale and Birmingham Muslim grooming gangs? Should we ignore that too? Up here in Scotland I've been out and about at night, sometimes passing underage clubs on my way somewhere and there's been scores of Muslim men hanging about harassing young girls and trying to get them into their cars etc. This is happening right under our noses and our authorities are terrified of being called racists, just like with the Rotherham case.
There is clearly an issue somewhere, and it needs to be addressed rather than swept under the carpet. How many more children across the UK is this happening to and they're screams are being ignored? This is Britain in 2014 not the Middle East in the dark ages.
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Original post by sdotd
these men should be executed, absolute disgusting what they did to innocent children. they will probably be let off knowing this stupid country because of the fear of being called racist
No it's against human rights to take another life...
Original post by Pectorac
Any sensible atheist would realise that the Muslim surgeon who might save your life tomorrow and your Muslim maths teacher most probably aren't rapists.
My surgeon is Hindu same for my maths teacher....
Original post by Arulraja
No it's against human rights to take another life...
My surgeon is Hindu same for my maths teacher....
My surgeon is Hindu same for my maths teacher....
Good for you; that's not the point I was making. My point was that millions of Muslims are decent people, people you might rely on one day to save your life or be your boss. You can't bash all Muslims because of some isolated incidents the media grabs holds of.
Original post by Pectorac
Any sensible atheist would realise that the Muslim surgeon who might save your life tomorrow and your Muslim maths teacher most probably aren't rapists.
What a terrible excuse. It is clearly an issue in the teachings of Islam that so many Muslim men have this attitude towards sex and non-Muslim children, regardless of what their profession is.
And no one is saying all Muslim's are bad, but there are clearly big problems within that religion if so many men are acting this way towards white children. It is utterly vile.
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not true. Islam. Religion of peace.
Stop blaming Islam. Its a Pakistani/Bangladeshi cultural issue.
Original post by Sanctimonious
Stop blaming Islam. Its a Pakistani/Bangladeshi cultural issue.
This
it's also a white English issue these communities have problems...Original post by stevie2
Any sensible athiest would do some research and see that slavery and sexual slavery are taught in islam and also muhamads own example.
Original post by RFC1872
What a terrible excuse. It is clearly an issue in the teachings of Islam that so many Muslim men have this attitude towards sex and non-Muslim children, regardless of what their profession is.
Most hadiths I've seen are of the opinion that rape should be punished
"Harun ibn Al-Asim reported: Umar ibn Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, sent Khalid ibn Al-Waleed with the army and Khalid sent Dirar ibn Al-Azwar along with a company and they invaded a district belonging to the tribe of Asad. They captured a beautiful girl and Dirar was impressed with her. He asked his companions to give her to him and they did, then he had intercourse with her. When he completed his mission, he felt guilty for what he had done and he want to Khalid and told him about it. Khalid said, “Indeed, I have made it permissible and wholesome for you.” Dirar said, “No, not until you write to Umar.” Umar replied that he should be stoned but by the time the letter had arrived, Dirar had passed away from natural causes. Khalid said, “Allah did not want to disgrace Dirar.”
If a man acquires a slave girl by force and then he rapes her, and he is not an ignorant person, then the slave girl is taken from him. He must pay the fine and the legal punishment for adultery will be applied to him.
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Original post by sdotd
we need to leave the human rights act too
we should have ultimate power over the criminals in this country
we should have ultimate power over the criminals in this country
Given the Human Rights Act 1998 is a piece of British legislation leaving it will be quite problematic...
Original post by Le Nombre
Given the Human Rights Act 1998 is a piece of British legislation leaving it will be quite problematic...
we can leave the act and make our own british bill of rights which should be more flexible for judges so more common sense can come into the punishment
Original post by sdotd
we can leave the act and make our own british bill of rights which should be more flexible for judges so more common sense can come into the punishment
We can't leave the HRA, the HRA is British. We could repeal the HRA and leave the European Convention on Human Rights, but that is a different thing.
There can just be a shift in jurisprudential emphasis though, interesting speech by Neuberger recently on the issue.
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/hrlc/documents/specialevents/neuberger-speech-120214.pdf
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