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Islam destroying traditional African culture.

so in Mali they're banning traditional dress. I don't even get shocked anymore.

http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/03/traditional-headdresses-banned-by-islamist-group-return-to-mali/#1
Reply 1
Hi! I'm a Muslim - i think that the article said it right: "Radical Islamist Group".

No doubt it is horrible what they are doing but I don't think you should be categorising all Muslims [or Islam in general] for the acts of those few who use Islam to try and justify their wrong views and intentions!
Because hey, let's blame Islam for everything, despite the fact that it's not the religion itself which has no issues with what you can wear as long as it's modest. Hence why men can't wear gold or silk for example.
Reply 3
Islam only states what people of it's own religion can and cannot wear. It doesn't force Muslims to go out and stop other people of other beliefs doing what they want [unless it is directly impacting them - like if another group was attacking Muslims or destroying a Mosque].

The people here are trying to use Islam and it's teachings to justify what they are doing - like i said before, as a Muslim myself I don't think what's going on is right!
Reply 4
Muslim here, that's a stupid ban >.<

People like that really anger me.
Reply 5
Original post by Byakko
Muslim here, that's a stupid ban >.<

People like that really anger me.


me?
Reply 6
Original post by tal_08
me?


no? I'm talking about those radical Muslims.

I just said I'm also muslim, not talking about you haha
Reply 7
Original post by Byakko
no? I'm talking about those radical Muslims.

I just said I'm also muslim, not talking about you haha


Oh! i think i just had a derp moment! :biggrin:

It's horrible to see what's going on in Mali
Reply 8
Original post by Fizzel
Not really surprising its doing/done the same thing to Arab and Persian culture.



Are you stupid? Religion is not separate from culture. In fact the Arabic culture is based on religion.


I fully support the group in the OP article.
Original post by Armin.
Are you stupid? Religion is not separate from culture. In fact the Arabic culture is based on religion.


I fully support the group in the OP article.


No it isn't based solely on religion. There are plenty of completely secular aspects of Arabic culture.
Reply 10
Original post by Blues Clues
No it isn't based solely on religion. There are plenty of completely secular aspects of Arabic culture.

They may be secular now however Arabic culture is very much ONE with religion. Have you ever lived in an Arabic country. It's only through the abrogation of Islam that countries like Emirates have become westernised and have in the process developed cities which celebrate secularity (read: Dubai).
Original post by Armin.
They may be secular now however Arabic culture is very much ONE with religion. Have you ever lived in an Arabic country. It's only through the abrogation of Islam that countries like Emirates have become westernised and have in the process developed cities which celebrate secularity (read: Dubai).


I've lived in Abu Dhabi and Dubai for five years. I'm also Egyptian. I speak Arabic. And I'm sorry, but the Gulf is NOT Westernised - only, in the capitalist sense. Places like Lebanon are much more Westernised. How Westernised you are, if you're an Arab, depends on which class you're in - the educated classes that speak English, for example, are much, much more Western than the lower classes which are still in deep Arabic tradition. Have you ever lived in an Arabic country? If you have then your replies are particularly surprising. Dubai doesn't celebrate secularity at all! Have you seen the way they mistreat the foreign migrants and the restrictions for couples who aren't married being in the same hotel room? If you are scantily-clad then you will be looked down upon, assuming the police haven't noticed you. Sexism and class-based racism is rife in the UAE, MUCH more than in other Arab countries who are, supposedly 'less westernised'.
Reply 12
well. egypt had black pharoahs from nubia. until the Mesopotamians (old word for arabs) destroyed everything.
then when the nubian empire converted to islam it got destroyed. aksum was destroyed for not converting to islam as muslims had the monopoly on naval trade. first the areas are islimified then they are arabised and then they push further south. its been happening for hundreds of years. they've gotten as far south as the central african republic now. and now groups like anti-balaka are having to kick muslims out. just so you know anti-balaka means anti-machete. meaning the muslims were massacring non muslims there. just like the friendly somali neighbours are doing in kenya. islam is destroying africa. islamic culture stomps out the native african cultures and even wipes out the physical people themselves.
Reply 13
Original post by Fizzel
You're the stupid one if you seriously think culture cannot exist or develop separate from religion, particularly a religion as recent in development as Islam.

Whole libraries devoted to Persian culture and history were burned after the Islamic revolution, hundreds if not thousands of years of heritage and learning destroyed to ensure there was no competition for the Islamic faith. One of the reasons you will meet plenty of people who will describe themselves as Persian rather than Iranian.


yea they destroyed persian culture too. and babylonian. their killing coptics and all of that stuff. the "nature" of islam is pretty bad. even if you don't read the books. you just look at what the people who claim allegiance to that book do. i mean look at what isis are doing.
Reply 14
Original post by Mick.w
well. egypt had black pharoahs from nubia. until the Mesopotamians (old word for arabs) destroyed everything.
then when the nubian empire converted to islam it got destroyed. aksum was destroyed for not converting to islam as muslims had the monopoly on naval trade. first the areas are islimified then they are arabised and then they push further south. its been happening for hundreds of years. they've gotten as far south as the central african republic now. and now groups like anti-balaka are having to kick muslims out. just so you know anti-balaka means anti-machete. meaning the muslims were massacring non muslims there. just like the friendly somali neighbours are doing in kenya. islam is destroying africa. islamic culture stomps out the native african cultures and even wipes out the physical people themselves.


America, the most powerful country in the world. How did it start? When the English went to America and killed the red indians. All that remains of the Red Indians are some casinos and some totem poles - kinda similar to the remains of the pyramids in Egypt. In turn "Americans" killed all of the English and removed all traces of English culture after the American Civil War.

What about Australia? The British went over there and killed the majority of the Aborigines. And destroyed all artefacts of the Aboriginals. Very little is left from their culture.

I'm not justifying what's being done in Mali - it's awful, but you shouldn't be generalising all Muslims in this because not all Muslims believe what they are doing is right. As for the destruction of previous cultures i've given you two examples - I can give you many more if you want because this is not something that only Muslims do, all civilisations [the stronger ones at least] try to do the same..
Original post by Blues Clues
Because hey, let's blame Islam for everything, despite the fact that it's not the religion itself which has no issues with what you can wear as long as it's modest. Hence why men can't wear gold or silk for example.


The trouble is, some people seem to think that "modest" means walking around with only your eyes showing.
Reply 16
Original post by tal_08
America, the most powerful country in the world. How did it start? When the English went to America and killed the red indians. All that remains of the Red Indians are some casinos and some totem poles - kinda similar to the remains of the pyramids in Egypt. In turn "Americans" killed all of the English and removed all traces of English culture after the American Civil War.

What about Australia? The British went over there and killed the majority of the Aborigines. And destroyed all artefacts of the Aboriginals. Very little is left from their culture.

I'm not justifying what's being done in Mali - it's awful, but you shouldn't be generalising all Muslims in this because not all Muslims believe what they are doing is right. As for the destruction of previous cultures i've given you two examples - I can give you many more if you want because this is not something that only Muslims do, all civilisations [the stronger ones at least] try to do the same..


theres no other reason for you to mention those other two genocides other than to illustrate that "well... everyone else is doing it"

this is a genocide thats going on now.

not only is it a physical genocide like that of the nazis or americans. but it is also a cultural genocide trying to wipe out the indigenous culture like the brits tried to do with the irish.

islam is part of the process of eliminating the native culture.
it is part of muslim ideology that they want to convert the entire world into being muslim.
this would destroy every native culture. there would be no variety or vibrance. or really any identity either. islam as im sure you aware has many passages written in the koran and hadith that cater to a very barbaric time. these verses are called upon by people committing barbarous acts.

as we can see from the rotherham case where 1400 children have been sexually exploited that really the muslim community takes no action within itself to tackle any issues that stem from it.

for example i remember seeing young men interviewed about the issue of islamic pedophile gangs and their response was merely "what about yardies raping girls"

so as you can see from both their response to the pedophile issue and your response to the genocide of africans is the same. "don't look at us. other people are doing it"

there is a flat out refusal to acknowledge that these are islamic issues.
and until muslims start to address this. nothing will change.

and while men sit around tables debating. young girls are getting raped. and africa is getting unreversibly destroyed.

islamic slave trading of africans is still alive and well remember "i am slave"?

ignoring the part that islam plays in these issues is regressive and stupid. anyone can see that it clearly plays a huge part. no amount of smearing people as racist in the hope to shut them up will change the truth of that. and its offensive to the think the rest of the world will play along with this theatrical performance where islam is this sacred cow that shall not be questioned or mentioned and that it has nothing to do at all with all the significant problems coming uniquely from the islamic world.
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Reply 17
Original post by Mick.w
theres no other reason for you to mention those other two genocides other than to illustrate that "well... everyone else is doing it"

this is a genocide thats going on now.

not only is it a physical genocide like that of the nazis or americans. but it is also a cultural genocide trying to wipe out the indigenous culture like the brits tried to do with the irish.

islam is part of the process of eliminating the native culture.
it is part of muslim ideology that they want to convert the entire world into being muslim.
this would destroy every native culture. there would be no variety or vibrance. or really any identity either. islam as im sure you aware has many passages written in the koran and hadith that cater to a very barbaric time. these verses are called upon by people committing barbarous acts.

as we can see from the rotherham case where 1400 children have been sexually exploited that really the muslim community takes no action within itself to tackle any issues that stem from it.

for example i remember seeing young men interviewed about the issue of islamic pedophile gangs and their response was merely "what about yardies raping girls"

so as you can see from both their response to the pedophile issue and your response to the genocide of africans is the same. "don't look at us. other people are doing it"

there is a flat out refusal to acknowledge that these are islamic issues.
and until muslims start to address this. nothing will change.

and while men sit around tables debating. young girls are getting raped. and africa is getting unreversibly destroyed.

islamic slave trading of africans is still alive and well remember "i am slave"?

ignoring the part that islam plays in these issues is regressive and stupid. anyone can see that it clearly plays a huge part. no amount of smearing people as racist in the hope to shut them up will change the truth of that. and its offensive to the think the rest of the world will play along with this theatrical performance where islam is this sacred cow that shall not be questioned or mentioned and that it has nothing to do at all with all the significant problems coming uniquely from the islamic world.


I am not ignoring anything nor am I calling you a racist? I AGREED WITH YOU, what's going on in Mali is horrible and we have to stop this! Look at my last paragraph first line ("i'm not justifying what's being done in Mali"). I am not ignoring this nor am i saying it is ok, i'm just stating that you and other posters were becoming obsessed with the fact that Islam was trying wiping all other cultures - all i did was just let you know that it isn't just Islam and that other civilisations are doing it as well [not once did i use this as a justification]

The paedophilic incidences in Rotherham i presume they were referring to the Catholic Priests? Anyway it is inexcusable and should be punished regardless of whether the person is Muslim or Christian [or any other faith for that matter]. In Britain it is illegal to do such things and therefore the police should do more to take care of this and deter from others doing the same.

All in all, i don't mean to argue with you or call you a racist - you're not. I just don't think you are right in the way that you are generalising Muslims like this. I myself have never hurt anybody, haven't forced anyone to accept Islam [i don't even preach Islam to anybody else!] yet i am a Muslim. I went to a Catholic Primary school, i have never argued with or been racist to anybody else and their faith. I don't necessarily want islam to spread all over the world!

I guess what i'm trying to say is that what's going on in Mali is horrible. But not all Muslims are evil! Not all Muslims force others to accept Islam, rape children, or run a slave trade. Those that are taking part in these horrific acts should be dealt with severely regardless of their religion or cultural background. As for these issues regarding Islam, many Muslims especially in England and America are talking and trying to find ways to increase community cohesion and stop racism to and from Muslims..
Hopefully someday we won't have these horrible issues in the world. Amen
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