The News reports british muslims beg to return to UK but are scared of going to jail

the op did not attack freedom of speech though

I am being told that by allowing people to harbour different views from me whilst being critical of them is somehow letting them walk all over me. Comments are being thrown around in this thread about Guantanamo bay and denying them citizenship for exercising their freedoms. So I would consider that an attack on freedom of speech. And then when I express my opinions I am castigated and 'liberal' is used towards me as an adhominem.

Many of these people who have left the UK have been critical of the UK and supportive of certain aspects of ISIS. But I think there is little evidence to say these British individuals were actually complicit in any acts of genocide or others acts. Plus for all we know, they may have renounced their views. Ultimately, they are British citizens and we have a duty to protect their human rights. That is the freedom of speech, their right to life (free from torture) etc...

innocent until proven guilty. Its not rare for bad people to turn good. All sorts of ex jihadists are now the most strongest proponents of anti jihadi ideaology.

ISIS isnt some sort of religion, people go to syria to fight assad and then end up being trapped by ISIS.

They have a right to return home, its not illegal to be a contractor

Yes there may be a some who genuinely regret what they have done and go on to become strong proponent of anti jihadi ideology but what about the ones who are lying and deceiving in order to get into the country for "other" reasons because of the difficulty in identifying the genuine from the fake the safest policy would be to stop any of them returning.

Imagine the uproar if one of these people that have returned, carry out an act of terrorism.

As I understand we are talking about people who admit to being a member of the IS army, not people who just promoted IS in speeches.

But can we say with certainty that every member of the Nazi party was complicit in the Holocaust? Likewise, can we say that every IS member is complicit in the reprehensible actions of IS?

It should at least be considered. A lot of these people probably only went over to fight Assad, which isn't exactly something I would hold against them, and now want to return now they see what IS is up to. They should be cautious over it though, but it is probably better than leaving them fighting there. Might even get some intel out of it.

Many have returned home and not committed terrorism. I think their is a huge difference beetween being a jihadi who fights assad and one who blows up tube stations.

We have security services who watch people all day so we have safe guards

how many have returned home exactly ?

No British citizen should participate in foreign civil wars.

30 ?
also the former Head of Mi6 and hazel blears agrees with me

If you tell people they cannot come back full stop no offer of reduced sentence then your forcing them into a corner making winning harder.

Many British citizens volunteers and fought in the Spanish civil war and were allowed to return back to the UK. If we literally at war with ISIS and they were attacking British citizens and territory, I think the argument against allowing them to return would be stronger. But ultimately, Britain has always been an open and tolerant country, especially to those who are politically subversive.

If we go back in history, we can see that Britain has a long history of housing foreign and home-grown political revolutionaries. Many communists living in the UK called for revolution, the murder/overthrow of monarchy, the toppling/replacement of the bourgeois capitalists. Why did we house these individuals who were so against everything this country stood for? Because Britain has always been a tolerant nation that has been a safe-haven for such people. Where other countries would persecute them for their views, Britain has always allowed them a certain level of freedom. People like Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin etc... all lived in Britain for some time.

There was also the issues in the 19th century of the anarchists. Yet again, Britain housed those that many other nations wouldn't. Many anarchists, some of whom were active terrorists involved in campaigns of Propaganda by Deed were allowed to freely reside in Britain. Many well known anarchists resided in the UK such as Kropotkin, Malatesta etc... Some foreign anarchists such as Bourdin even went as far as instigating a bomb attack on British soil.


We also must consider that some may have made mistakes and regret their actions. Surely all people deserve a second chance? In fact, out prison system doesn't often keep people locked up for life, but rather for a number of years and then they are released again, ready to have another chance in society. They are after all British citizens.

Many have returned home and not committed terrorism. I think their is a huge difference beetween being a jihadi who fights assad and one who blows up tube stations.

We have security services who watch people all day so we have safe guards

Yes.

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does that include brits serving in the Isreali Army ? Or Brits working as mercenaries for the corupt elite of the developing world.

If you tell people they cannot come back full stop no offer of reduced sentence then your forcing them into a corner making winning harder.

I am being told that by allowing people to harbour different views from me whilst being critical of them is somehow letting them walk all over me. Comments are being thrown around in this thread about Guantanamo bay and denying them citizenship for exercising their freedoms. So I would consider that an attack on freedom of speech. And then when I express my opinions I am castigated and 'liberal' is used towards me as an adhominem.

Many of these people who have left the UK have been critical of the UK and supportive of certain aspects of ISIS. But I think there is little evidence to say these British individuals were actually complicit in any acts of genocide or others acts. Plus for all we know, they may have renounced their views. Ultimately, they are British citizens and we have a duty to protect their human rights. That is the freedom of speech, their right to life (free from torture) etc...