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Sexist Sheryl Sandberg wants "equality" at Facebook (aka discrimination against men)

https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/marie-claire/news-and-views/latest/a/24713411/sheryl-sandberg-takes-on-techs-biggest-problem/

Facebook's Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg has set a big goal for the social networking giant: to dramatically increase the gender diversity among Facebook's employees. Currently, the demographic breakdown stands at 69% men to 31% women, numbers that are unfortunately characteristic of the overall male to female ratios in tech companies today. Sandberg wants those numbers increased to 50% men to 50% women, across all levels of the company.

"I want half and half, half across the board. 50%," Sandberg told USA Today when asked about whether she had any plans for gender diversity at Facebook.


Let's fire lots of qualifed men and hire lots of less qualified women in the name of "equality!"
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Reply 1
Wait, who's saying the women are less qualified?
Reply 2
Original post by 338o
Wait, who's saying the women are less qualified?


OP's username says it all. Google it.
Original post by Heartiste
Let's fire lots of qualifed men and hire lots of less qualified women in the name of "equality!"


Sorry, where did it say that?

:rolleyes:
Yes this is what we need. More women working in offices. That is going to end gender discrimination.
Funny how the head of BP isnt calling for more female offshore oil rig operatives.
Funny how the head of councils arent calling for more female dustcart pushers or paving flag layers.
OK so, population is about 50/50

Currently the ratios are 69 per cent male and 31 per cent female

Boss says the target should be 50/50

Guess which part of that the meninists regard as the injustice....
Reply 6
The point is that why should men lose their jobs if they're doing nothing wrong? Just to make it equal? That's stupid. It should be whoever does the jobs best. If that leads to a majority of one gender, then so be it. Making it 50/50 is just silly, unless it coincidentally ends up that way.
Original post by MagicNMedicine
OK so, population is about 50/50

Currently the ratios are 69 per cent male and 31 per cent female

Boss says the target should be 50/50

Guess which part of that the meninists regard as the injustice....


Just because the population is 50-50, doesn't mean that they are evenly distributed across professions. About 20% of computer programmers are female (Laura Sydell (Director) (2013-04-29). "Blazing The Trail For Female Programmers". National Public Radio. Retrieved 2013-06-07.), so to suggest that 50 percent of programmers (she did say half across the board)in Facebook should be female is wrong. It's kind of like a hospital manager saying they want 50% of nurses to be male.

I know there are certain roles in Facebook like marketing or something like that do probably have a fairly even split, but considering Facebook is a tech based company and women occupy a smaller proportion of STEM graduates it doesn't seem like a particularly valid statement for the COO to make.
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Original post by InsertWittyName

I know there are certain roles in Facebook like marketing or something like that do probably have a fairly even split, but considering Facebook is a tech based company and women occupy a smaller proportion of STEM graduates it doesn't seem like a particularly valid statement for the COO to make.


Facebook isn't really a tech company - it is an advertiser. Facebook doesn't make its money through offering IT solutions, it makes its money by advertising. Because of this, image is of paramount importance to Facebook. One way to improve the image of FB is to have more women. It gets rid of the image of being a bunch of out of touch nerdy guys and probably helps the business understand half of its users. Also if there is any group that is easily influenced by advertising, it is young women/girls - FB would be wise to win favour among this group.
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Original post by MagicNMedicine
OK so, population is about 50/50

Currently the ratios are 69 per cent male and 31 per cent female

Boss says the target should be 50/50

Guess which part of that the meninists regard as the injustice....


If the ratio of well-qualified men to well-qualified women were 70:30, this is what we would expect. In the tech sector, that wouldn't be a surprising ratio.

You can only consider it injustice if you start assuming things. Unless you have some info about Facebook's applicant ratios across the various strata of the organisation.

Regardless, simply saying "I want a 50/50 split, come what may" is ludicrous.
Original post by MagicNMedicine
OK so, population is about 50/50

Currently the ratios are 69 per cent male and 31 per cent female

Boss says the target should be 50/50

Guess which part of that the meninists regard as the injustice....

The key issue for me would be that turning that 69/31 split into a 50/50 one means favouring women when it comes to employment. It means that well-qualified men are going to be denied jobs purely because of their gender. That doesn't seem fair to me. Facebook should employ who is best for the job and if that means a split one way or the other then so be it. The idea that the ratio needs to be 50/50 makes no sense.
Reply 11
The problem is that gender shouldn't even be brought up in any sort of workplace.

The people that are best at the job should be the ones hired, doesn't matter if the work place is 100% women, 100% black, 100% white, 100% muslim, 100% whatever provided they are the best people for the job.

Having to meet a certain men:women ratio just for the sake of it (despite who is the best suited for the job) just highlights a massive problem for the UK at the moment.
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Original post by Classical Liberal
Facebook isn't really a tech company - it is an advertiser. Facebook doesn't make its money through offering IT solutions, it makes its money by advertising. Because of this, image is of paramount importance to Facebook. One way to improve the image of FB is to have more women. It gets rid of the image of being a bunch of out of touch nerdy guys and probably helps the business understand half of its users. Also if there is any group that is easily influenced by advertising, it is young women/girls - FB would be wise to win favour among this group.


Yeah I agree with you on advertising, but I think Facebook is still a tech-based company at heart (albeit one Zuckerberg has pimped out so he can buy another gold plated limo or w/e); the image they put out is important, but so too is the actual product itself. By all means, they need need to have a modern face, and having a greater proportion of women in PR, marketing etc will help that.

But the roles that make Facebook and other products like WhatsApp run, the IT techs/ support officers, programmers etc. are male dominated jobs and they're not in the public eye. If 80% of CS degree grads are male, it stands to reason that of the best applicants for Facebook positions, 80% of them will be male too. So aiming for a 50-50 split would basically mean turning down applicants suited for the job just because of their gender. Restricting the amount of people from a certain demographic in the name of image is pretty much discrimination whatever way you cut it.
Reply 13
Original post by Classical Liberal
Facebook isn't really a tech company - it is an advertiser. Facebook doesn't make its money through offering IT solutions, it makes its money by advertising. Because of this, image is of paramount importance to Facebook. One way to improve the image of FB is to have more women. It gets rid of the image of being a bunch of out of touch nerdy guys and probably helps the business understand half of its users. Also if there is any group that is easily influenced by advertising, it is young women/girls - FB would be wise to win favour among this group.


No surprise there, they are by far the most emotional and irrational group, not to mention the most likely to feel an absolute need to ''fit in'' and to seek the acceptance and approval of others.
Original post by caravaggio2
Yes this is what we need. More women working in offices. That is going to end gender discrimination.
Funny how the head of BP isnt calling for more female offshore oil rig operatives.
Funny how the head of councils arent calling for more female dustcart pushers or paving flag layers.


Lol!

Well said.
Original post by MagicNMedicine
OK so, population is about 50/50

Currently the ratios are 69 per cent male and 31 per cent female

Boss says the target should be 50/50

Guess which part of that the meninists regard as the injustice....


Considering that the ratio of computer science degree holders is 80/20 in favour of men, do you see why forcing a 50/50 outcome is about as fair as the head of a hospital declaring they want 50/50 representation in nursing staff?

Not that I expect you to reply; your raison d'être on these threads seems to be to make as shallow an analysis as possible then fail to address the responses pointing out the flaws in said analysis.
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Original post by MagicNMedicine
OK so, population is about 50/50

Currently the ratios are 69 per cent male and 31 per cent female

Boss says the target should be 50/50

Guess which part of that the meninists regard as the injustice....


In your pathetic attempt to show your pro-female credentials or some other reasons related to limitations in critical thinking, you forgot to factor in:

- What is the sex ratio of those available to work.

- What is the sex ratio of those with qualifications aligned to the kind of work Facebook hires for.

- What is the sex ratio of those with interests in the kind of work Facebook hires for and apply for the jobs.

- What is the sex ratio of those being the best/most capable in the field for the kind of work Facebook (a highly desirable and popular employer hiring the best) hires for.

Your analysis is as simpleton as saying 99% of professional footballers are men, we need to get it to 50/50 because that is the population statistics.

I am also sure you are not campaigning for 50/50 or equal pay on the catwalks, or are you?

I can see your true intentions are indeed "justice".:rolleyes:
"Hmm you've done very well, but we have too many men. Bye bye you're fired."
Original post by Heartiste
https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/marie-claire/news-and-views/latest/a/24713411/sheryl-sandberg-takes-on-techs-biggest-problem/



Let's fire lots of qualifed men and hire lots of less qualified women in the name of "equality!"


I see a bigger problem, a complete lack of Ginger people. Do people not realise how oppressed ginger haired people are? Of course as a privileged brown haired person she would not understand what it is like to be told you don't have a soul.

Yes I can play this game too, why stick to stratification by gender, lets do it by literally everything!
Has anyone considered that the ratio of people who have the right qualifications or are interested in that area of work isn't 50:50?

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