Why do most women still expect men to initiate everything?

If you have enough eligible guys actively pursuing you, why bother risk rejection?

Maybe all men should band together and just refuse to initiate anything, ever. Women will then ache for companionship and motherhood, leaving them no choice but to take up the role.

Why do you expect the guy to ask you out, come up with great date ideas, call back after, propose and so on? In a world where women are the de facto leaders of the EU, the person with best odds to be the next US president, the chair of the US federal reserve, the head of the IMF, the president of the largest economy in the latin world, the CEO's of GM, Pepsi, Lockheed Martin, IBM, Hewlett-Packard and Xerox not to mention young women making more money than young men across the UK and the US. And yet so few girls understand that it is not the guy's duty to utter those 6 magic words: ''Will you go out with me?'' What's up with that?

That made me cry inside.

Oh well. thats life for me sadly ..

That made me cry inside.

I guess but I'm in year 12 currently... and I notice that that average/quite pretty girls don't get as much attention as the super pretty (perfect body and face) girls. Even the average guys like them.

I'm not too bothered about this now, I don't want a boyfriend.. lol want to focus on A-levels.

Good job! Focus on your A-Levels and succeed in your life. Live your life and when it happens it happens.

Trust me - men ain't all that great. And true love should come naturally.

I like a guy to take charge. I'm a pretty domineering female and a go getter, therefore some guys tend to become intimidated and emasculated by it. From my experience, they LIKE being the provider and being depended on, and they LIKE looking out for me, checking I got home safely etc.

It's more I don't want to spend the rest of my life with someone like that. Anyone who is domineering is annoying.

Tbh, if you want a female to approach you, then she has to be pretty confident (I'm not sure how big of an overlap the domineering part would be) but there will definitely be some sort of aspect there, big or small.

If you want a timid, shy female, then be prepared to do the chasing.

If you want a timid female who will also approach you - you're probably going to be single, unless you step up to her first.

Tbh, if you want a female to approach you, then she has to be pretty confident (I'm not sure how big of an overlap the domineering part would be) but there will definitely be some sort of aspect there, big or small.

If you want a timid, shy female, then be prepared to do the chasing.

If you want a timid female who will also approach you - you're probably going to be single, unless you step up to her first.

I'm sick of these little boys playing the "women are equal to men" card to make excuses for not having the damn balls to initiate anything. Other guys who still do have balls, will overtake you and ask out those girls who you want, so don't complain if this happens.

For me, I like masculine and confident guys. I make it obvious that I want to be approached by them, smile etc, however I will wait for them to do so. If they don't they were either taken, didn't like the look of me, or were shy , if so, I wouldn't be interested in them anyway.

I like a guy to take charge. I'm a pretty domineering female and a go getter, therefore some guys tend to become intimidated and emasculated by it. From my experience, they LIKE being the provider and being depended on, and they LIKE looking out for me, checking I got home safely etc.

I am not a feminist. I believe that men and women can be seen perhaps at being equal in some situations, but not all. It is a fact that there are some things men can do better than women (physical activities), woman can do better than men (emotive things). Until men can start giving birth, and women grow balls, they will not be equal.

I'm sick of these little boys playing the "women are equal to men" card to make excuses for not having the damn balls to initiate anything. Other guys who still do have balls, will overtake you and ask out those girls who you want, so don't complain if this happens.

Tbh, guys, you don't have to initiate everything. You don't need to initiate anything, but when you end up still single at the age of 40, waiting around for a woman to ask you out, just remember this thread.

I know what you're saying. I'm personally also sick of these little girls playing the "women are different to men" card to make excuses for not having the damn balls to initiate anything. Other girls who aren't entitled little princesses will overtake you and ask out those guys who you want, so don't complain if this happens.

The argument you make runs both ways - should the timid archetype of a girl then have no right to complain when the bolder girls are asking guys out and getting dates?

The final paragraph assumes that the conditions affecting women's dating behaviour remain constant with time, which doesn't quite hold up. Guys' attractiveness to women tends to increase between the ages of 20-30, whilst the same cannot be said for women. There are many attractive career women who realise at 28 that they have to settle at some point, and from that point onwards men find themselves being approached a good deal more.