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The militant and oppressive power of feminism

"If you want to know who's really in power, think about who you can't criticize"

As many of you may know, I recently opened a thread that highlighted the fact that women are equally or more likely than men to physically and verbally abuse their partners. I cited OVER 200 studies to support my claims.

Unsurprisingly a few feminists came to the thread. But what really surprised me was their attitude to the thread. Not only did they start telling us how much worse men are, but they also started insulting the posters personally. Words like "misogynist" were thrown around and people were wrongfully labeled.

One of the feminists said that all the studies cited were "inconclusive" despite this being clearly false. She did not bother to back up her claims either.

One woman said that men deserve a slap. That she would not consider herself slapping her bf an act of DV, but it would definitely be DV if her bf did the exact same thing to her.

When they couldn't win with reason or answer our questions they insulted our intelligence, said that we're "disgraceful" and insinuated that we're being wusses.

They incessantly tried to bully the posters and derail the thread.

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Eventually, the thread had to be locked. It surprises me how some women can be so harsh on men, and want to completely bury the fact that innocent men are abused by women on a large scale.

If you see the "women against feminism" fb page, you will find that a HUGE number of women have told that they're not women... that they're misogynists... that they're a disgrace.... simply because of the fact that they disagreed with a feminist group.
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Reply 1

Viva Emptiness

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2873861

Reply 2

Riku

I'm getting tired of these threads today, but I am annoyed by how callous some self-proclaimed feminists are about these things.

We need to be able to discuss male issues in a way which does not place women at fault for them, but society and patriarchal structures.

Reply 3

SuperDuperNoob

Original post by Viva Emptiness

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2873861

1. I'm not looking for an excuse to "handle" a woman.
2. I never called women sluts.
3. Most of my threads are not about feminism, you know that perfectly well.

Totally invalid. Your post has nothing to do with my thread. Get out.

Reply 4

Viva Emptiness

Original post by SuperDuperNoob

I bet you'd love to slap a woman around a bit.

Reply 5

SuperDuperNoob

Original post by Riku

We'll only be able to if feminists stop manipulating and derailing conversations in desperate attempt to bury violence and injustices against men in today's world.

Reply 6

Riku

Original post by SuperDuperNoob

We'll only be able to if feminists stop manipulating and derailing conversations in desperate attempt to bury violence and injustices against men in today's world.

then we need more men to join with the moderate feminists to give a more balanced, objective account of the state of society, which will help to moderate the volume of the radical feminists-they should not be silenced, but it should come to public attention that radical feminism is radical. In the case of TSR we need to avoid fuelling those who respond to arguments with ad hominids

simply generalising and bashing women is not the answer-and yes I know I'm a hypocrite with this.

Reply 7

miser

You label a movement for equal rights 'oppressive', and wonder why people claimed misogyny? :holmes:

Reply 8

SuperDuperNoob

Original post by miser

You label a movement for equal rights 'oppressive', and wonder why people claimed misogyny? :holmes:

I think it's well known that this movement has had some extremely bad people at its helm. And when the word misogyny was thrown around feminism hadn't even been mentioned.

Original post by Riku

But the real question is, will moderate feminists work to make men equal to women in those areas? Women bashing is stupid, just like male bashing. But we must bring women's crimes into the light and not think of them as innocent victims, you know?

Reply 9

miser

Original post by SuperDuperNoob

I think it's well known that this movement has had some extremely bad people at its helm. And when the word misogyny was thrown around feminism hadn't even been mentioned.

My point being that since I haven't seen the original thread - only how you have portrayed your position this one - it's not surprising to me that you would have written similarly in the first, and therefore not so unexpected for it to have turned out as it did.

Reply 10

SuperDuperNoob

Original post by miser

It may come as a surprise to you, but I didn't come off as misogynist at all. Also, plenty of women are against feminism... which doesn't make them misogynists :cool:

Reply 11

miser

Original post by SuperDuperNoob

It may come as a surprise to you, but I didn't come off as misogynist at all. Also, plenty of women are against feminism... which doesn't make them misogynists :cool:

I'll take your word for it then. :smile:

Reply 12

Chicken.M.

Just waiting for marky mark to come in and tell all the men to man up and take the violence :noway:

Original post by Riku

I'm getting tired of these threads today, but I am annoyed by how callous

some self-proclaimed feminists are about these things.

We need to be able to discuss male issues in a way which does not place women at fault for them, but society and patriarchal structures.

lol.

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Reply 13

Riku

Original post by SuperDuperNoob

I think it's well known that this movement has had some extremely bad people at its helm. And when the word misogyny was thrown around feminism hadn't even been mentioned.

But the real question is, will moderate feminists work to make men equal to women in those areas? Women bashing is stupid, just like male bashing. But we must bring women's crimes into the light and not think of them as innocent victims, you know?

A tough one. All I can say is, only women can call out women who are out of order. Let me explain.

From what little knowledge on this subject I have done, the majority of women who abuse feminism-the 'misandrists' lads on TSR like to complain about so much-are either a minority with immoral/abusive/sociopathic tendencies anyway, a radical feminist (an elite, vocal and popular minority but relative minority nonetheless) or women simply oblivious to the fact they are conforming to patriarchal structures, brainwashed you might say.

Perhaps they will, perhaps not. I would imagine, judging by the older women members (both in real-life age and TSR post/date history) that there would be some sympathies.

What I do know for a fact is that women-bashing alone will get us nowhere; it reeks of emotional maturity, it's rarely executed rationally, and remember that:

a) Radical feminists will encourage opposition against it almost as soon as the argument is sprung (see every TSR thread on feminism ever)
b) Recently converted feminists will not yet be aware of the double-edged sword that is patriarchy, and align with the rad-fems quickly
c) Men are socialised by patriarchy to rally against those men who fail to conform to it- a man who complains that Patriarachy Hurts Men Too must be silenced

So we are dealing with 3 enemies here, not 1.

That leaves 2 potential allies:

1) the men who have been abandoned and cheated by patriarchy (this to an extent includes myself)
2) the feminists of a moderate disposition, who believe in feminism in its purest form: equality.

To get these we must think like the suffragists, not the suffragettes. Remember that patriarchy conceded the vote to women when it showed inclination towards the greater good of society in the wars? Well then, feminism may (I hope) concede an uninterrupted male sphere to help abolish patriarchy when men are at least willing to work with them towards their current goals.

Patriarchy can only be brought down from the inside; man created it, and only man can end it and bring about the next revolutionary phase of our social history. This may take a few centuries yet. But too many men are in favour of it, it is in their best interests-and the minority who are not are pincered into submission.

We need the support of the moderate feminists; only they can persuade the rad-fems, or at very least build up the confidence of mod-fems for a balanced account of feminism in the balance sphere. Once we have more feminists, then and only then can we consider dismantling 'misandry', ironically a bi-product of patriarchy. And who are the best recruits to join the mod-fems? Guys like you and me.

Vive la revolution :tongue: