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why do people dismiss misandry?

why is the fact that men experience sexual abuse and discrimination so widely denied?


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The lack of responses to this thread is ironic.
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I don't think it is in the mainstream media as much, not to most decent people. It is on TSR, because as I have said before, we have 2 extremist camps. On one we have some militant, aggressive feminists-'Feminazis'-who use skewed logic that allows for gender double standards (having their cake and eating it) while rebutting anyone who disagrees and pipes up about their hypocrisy with petty ad hominems. On the other we have hordes of immature trolls/chauvinists coming in with one thread after another about how feminism and equal rights for women is the root of all evils in the modern world and 'women need a good SLAP' (srs).

People tire of it, and any thread with buzzwords such as 'misandry' will likely be associated with the latter.

If you seriously want to debate feminism, your best bet is posting in the Society forum :smile: (although I'm afraid to say even that has recently been festering with trolls).

Hope this helps.
Because a lot of men would enjoy a woman sexually harrassing them.
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Because a lot of men would enjoy a woman sexually harrassing them.


wow.


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Men have never in any society been seen as victims and eligible for special treatment. That's because men are disposable. In hunter-gatherer societies they die on the hunt, in agricultural societies they die defending the settlement. It's fine because the important thing is that there are women around to pump out the next generation of fighters.

So why aren't women just as disposable?

Because men can father a child in under three minutes (or so I hear!) but for a woman it takes 388,800 minutes and even after that you want at least the boobs to be around for a couple of years. Furthermore, women can only bear a maximum of 40 children in their lifetimes (dying of childbirth long before that, too) but men can father children for basically their entire natural lives.

So if one woman gets killed you have hugely reduced the reproductive capacity of the tribe and they are that much more likely to get clobbered by the next rival tribe or sabre-toothed tiger to come up the valley. If one man gets killed it's no problem, the other men have a limitless supply of spunk and a limitless desire to inject it into as many women as possible, so they'll step up and fill the gap.
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A number of reasons why, in my opinion. Gender roles, societies expectations and stereotyping as to what a victim should look like. Slightly off topic, but not really; take a look at this article about male rape victims during war & conflict. It's very interesting and sad to read. They have programmes to help women but not men & they become outcasts if it's found that they've been raped. Probably the best piece of writing that's been done by The Guardian I think.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-menhttp://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men
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Same reason people dismiss discrimination against white people. Same reason people are a-ok with criticizing skinny people whereas fat-shaming is close to being deemed a cardinal sin these days.
It's the line of thinking that people that had been victimized for long periods of time cannot in any way shape or form take the role of the oppressor. Femenistas and social justice warriors file it under "power structures"-i.e. if an individual is in a position that has been collectively deemed to be advantageous then said individual cannot experience role-reversal. Any abuse directed towards said individual doesn't hold value to said social-justice warriors because they have a messed up equality agenda(which they themselves can never really measure but that's another topic altogether) that needs to be followed. So for example,for misandry to be taken seriously by social justice warriors ,men need to go through a period of collective die-hard oppression thus enabling them to drop through the "power structure" ranks in every sociology textbook across the nation.
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Reply 8
Scotgrot got it right, the average man has always been the work horse and cannon fodder in every society whether the dawn of humanity or 21st century UK. Women have always had intrinsic value because of their reproduction bottleneck value. Some of the oldest art found is statues of women representing the goddess of fertility and it's the same reason a woman's looks and youth are still worshiped even today. Look at the attention a woman gets from the media when something bad happens to her(compared to the same thing happening to a man). It's funny how little we've changed. Society exists so women are children are protected and cocooned by men : 15.000 years ago it was fighting other tribes or cave bears, today it's the welfare system and public healthcare (mostly paid for by men and mostly used by women). The fact that we've changed so much is a mere illusion, we just have better gadgets these days.

One of the best examples for this is the Titanic survival rate : women in the lowest class survived at a better rate than men in first class. In fact, one of the richest men in the world at the time died that day.
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Scotgrot got it right, the average man has always been the work horse and cannon fodder in every society whether the dawn of humanity or 21st century UK. Women have always had intrinsic value because of their reproduction bottleneck value. Some of the oldest art found is statues of women representing the goddess of fertility and it's the same reason a woman's looks and youth are still worshiped even today. Look at the attention a woman gets from the media when something bad happens to her(compared to the same thing happening to a man). It's funny how little we've changed. Society exists so women are children are protected and cocooned by men : 15.000 years ago it was fighting other tribes or cave bears, today it's the welfare system and public healthcare (mostly paid for by men and mostly used by women). The fact that we've changed so much is a mere illusion, we just have better gadgets these days.

One of the best examples for this is the Titanic survival rate : women in the lowest class survived at a better rate than men in first class. In fact, one of the richest men in the world at the time died that day.


I take huge issue with the anti-social-security message that has been piggybacking on the men's movements lately. You are in danger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Social security has done wonders for human rights, social mobility and human dignity regardless of gender - not to mention that it is the cheapest insurance policy possible against the sort of civil unrest and widespread worker incapacitation through illness that dissuades investment in a country. In my view this is a dangerous thing tacked on by right-wing libertarians with a separate and sinister agenda to pursue, similarly to the feminist academics/columnists/lobbyists.

Sort divorce, custody, child benefits, and imbalances in healthcare funding, but not at the expense of the rest of the social security/national healthcare system.
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Reply 10
Male disposability is pretty depressing it must be said. As a man, your life value is based upon your production for the state-you cannot produce life, only help a woman produce it, therefore you have to have significant skills to justify the continuation of your existence.
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