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How to get the best teacher reference for uni application...

The teacher reference for your UCAS application is very important and should promote a student's academic potential & their suitability to the course they have chosen.

The reference made by your teacher is ultimately an endorsement and essential part of your application.

Teacher referees arguably have a lot on their plate this time of year in terms of teaching and having to write anything from 5 student references to 50+! Some students they will know well, some not so well - that must be really hard!

For those of you who have sent off your application how did you feel about your teacher reference, did you felt they knew you well enough to write a reference? Did you talk beforehand about what you wanted to achieve through the reference and personal statement process?

When I applied to uni my referee was my sociology teacher who knew me incredibly well, it felt like a real team effort and was sent off well before the January deadline :smile: I was chuffed to bits when I read it too.


For those of you haven't sent of your application yet do you know which teacher will be writing your application? How are you feeling about it?


Teachers of TSR what tips would you offer students about working with their teacher(s) to prepare the reference?


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Original post by She-Ra
The teacher reference for your UCAS application is very important and should promote a student's academic potential & their suitability to the course they have chosen.

The reference made by your teacher is ultimately an endorsement and essential part of your application.

Teacher referees arguably have a lot on their plate this time of year in terms of teaching and having to write anything from 5 student references to 50+! Some students they will know well, some not so well - that must be really hard!

For those of you who have sent off your application how did you feel about your teacher reference, did you felt they knew you well enough to write a reference? Did you talk beforehand about what you wanted to achieve through the reference and personal statement process?

When I applied to uni my referee was my sociology teacher who knew me incredibly well, it felt like a real team effort and was sent off well before the January deadline :smile: I was chuffed to bits when I read it too.


For those of you haven't sent of your application yet do you know which teacher will be writing your application? How are you feeling about it?


Teachers of TSR what tips would you offer students about working with their teacher(s) to prepare the reference?


Most references are made up of comments from all subject teachers and edited into one by the form tutor. As to what you should do to get the best out of it, be a good student to start with (!) and also make sure your tutor knows what you do beyond the academic classes. If there are any specific circumstances you need to have mentioned, then the reference is where they go, but they can't be put in unless the referees know about them. Talk to them. The reference is the same length as the PS. There's room to put things in, if the things are known.
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Well, the most important thing is that the referee should be the one that is teaching you the subject which is most relevant to the one you intend to pursue in your first degree. For example, you might want your biology teacher to write one for you if you opt for biomedical science, biological sciences etc. I turned to my chemistry teacher, since I am applying for pharmacy. That way they can assess your academic capabilities in that subject.


They would need to be able to vouch for your achievements. I talked to my referee beforehand regarding my plans, achievements, extracurricular activities etc. I also let her read my personal statement, the straightforward way.


I always keep a good impression for my referee, so the process is a breeze. She let me checked through the reference to see if she missed out something. To be honest, I am happy with it, though I am not as good as she wrote.


Hope this helps. :biggrin:
I was very happy with my reference. In my school, the head of sixth writes all of the references for people applying to Oxbridge or Medicine and she really knows what she's talking about. She consulted with me on multiple occasions so I had quite a lot of input as to what was in the reference.
I'm still in shock about my reference - my head of sixth read it to me earlier before I sent off my form and it's so much better than I could've ever expected. I know that they need to be complimentary, but still...if even half of what they said is true I'm a much better candidate than I thought :biggrin: I'm not going to get complacent, but I'm so happy!
Different schools have different policies about who will, or can, write references. In my case it was my sixth form form tutor who wrote it, and was signed off by the head teacher but edited by me and the UCAS rep in the school.

Regardless, it's wise to appear to be trying hard and generally not being a **** while at school to give a good impression to whoever writes it. If they don't know you particularly well they may be asking your other teachers who will.
Original post by Nemix207
Well, the most important thing is that the referee should be the one that is teaching you the subject which is most relevant to the one you intend to pursue in your first degree. For example, you might want your biology teacher to write one for you if you opt for biomedical science, biological sciences etc. I turned to my chemistry teacher, since I am applying for pharmacy. That way they can assess your academic capabilities in that subject.


They would need to be able to vouch for your achievements. I talked to my referee beforehand regarding my plans, achievements, extracurricular activities etc. I also let her read my personal statement, the straightforward way.


I always keep a good impression for my referee, so the process is a breeze. She let me checked through the reference to see if she missed out something. To be honest, I am happy with it, though I am not as good as she wrote.


Hope this helps. :biggrin:


Mine was written by someone who had never taught me nor did he teach the subject I was applying for.
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I have always thought we can't read them, that's what my tutors said. Right??
Original post by Ysky
I have always thought we can't read them, that's what my tutors said. Right??

Depends on the school's policy. You can pay a fee to Ucas after it's been sent off, if you want to see it and haven't been allowed to. It's £10, unless it's gone up recently, which is quite possible.
At my school, our principal writes all of the UCAS references. She's the kind of head that knows every student by name - kinda like Dumbledore from Harry Potter! This is how the whole thing goes;

1) Everyone wanting a UCAS reference writes an essay (we're given a sheet to tell us what we should write about - writing it was more daunting than writing my personal statement!) over summer, between AS year and A2 year (called year 13 and year 14 here in Northern Ireland).
2) This essay is handed in during the first week of September, giving her time to read them.
3) You schedule an interview with her (about 40 minutes, I'm told) once you've completed your UCAS Apply.
4) She writes your reference, and you're all set. cx I kinda hope I get to read it, lol.

I honestly have no idea how she does it. She has around 50 to do this year. 50! A UCAS reference isn't exactly something you can write overnight, right? This right here is why my Head Teacher is a role model of mine. c:
Original post by Chlorophile
I was very happy with my reference. In my school, the head of sixth writes all of the references for people applying to Oxbridge or Medicine and she really knows what she's talking about. She consulted with me on multiple occasions so I had quite a lot of input as to what was in the reference.



The arrogance of some students knows no bounds. You're head of sixth form was unfair to pay extra attention to the applications of some students over others.


Incredibly unprofessional.
Original post by Queen Rosemary
The arrogance of some students knows no bounds. You're head of sixth form was unfair to pay extra attention to the applications of some students over others.


Incredibly unprofessional.


If anything, shouldn't you be blaming my head of sixth rather than me? And to be perfectly honest, I don't see what your problem is. It's a simple fact that Oxbridge and Medicine are by far the most competitive courses, so it's extremely important that the references target the things admissions tutors want to hear. That's the only way a normal comprehensive school like mine can compete with grammar schools or private schools. We only have one head of sixth, and she can't write references for 250 students. So I think it's completely fair that she dedicates her expertise to the people who have the greatest need for it.

The only difference between her and other teachers is that she's had a lot of contact with admissions tutors from places like Oxbridge, so she knows how to write a very good Oxbridge reference. Other people aren't being short-changed, their references will be absolutely fine. She's simply giving her expertise to the people who need it. If anything it's incredibly generous because she dedicates a crazy amount of her own time for this.
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Original post by Queen Rosemary
The arrogance of some students knows no bounds. You're head of sixth form was unfair to pay extra attention to the applications of some students over others.


Incredibly unprofessional.



The Oxbridge and Medicine courses are all required to be in by the early entry deadline, which as I have discovered is really quite tight. I think this may just be done to avoid the hassle of chasing up and involving all the different subject teachers and ensuring that the applications are in on time. I don't see how it's paying extra attention- personally I'd rather my head of sixth form didn't write my reference since my subject teachers know me so much better. Up until the early entry deadline- 15th October- it would be crazy not to pay more attention to these applications, as the normal entry applications have a substantially longer period.
Original post by Chlorophile
If anything, shouldn't you be blaming my head of sixth rather than me? And to be perfectly honest, I don't see what your problem is. It's a simple fact that Oxbridge and Medicine are by far the most competitive courses, so it's extremely important that the references target the things admissions tutors want to hear. That's the only way a normal comprehensive school like mine can compete with grammar schools or private schools. We only have one head of sixth, and she can't write references for 250 students. So I think it's completely fair that she dedicates her expertise to the people who have the greatest need for it.

The only difference between her and other teachers is that she's had a lot of contact with admissions tutors from places like Oxbridge, so she knows how to write a very good Oxbridge reference. Other people aren't being short-changed, their references will be absolutely fine. She's simply giving her expertise to the people who need it. If anything it's incredibly generous because she dedicates a crazy amount of her own time for this.




I feel like her actions undermined the work and efforts of the other students at your school simply because they are not applying to the "most competitive courses". Regardless of how badly your head wants to boast about students gaining admission into those "competitive courses" the facts are she gave favourable treatment to the top students while ignoring the ones that really needed the extra support.


It's a growing trend these days focus on the brightest students because they're the ones that will gain your institution notoriety. It's rather sad actually.
Original post by Queen Rosemary
I feel like her actions undermined the work and efforts of the other students at your school simply because they are not applying to the "most competitive courses". Regardless of how badly your head wants to boast about students gaining admission into those "competitive courses" the facts are she gave favourable treatment to the top students while ignoring the ones that really needed the extra support.

It's a growing trend these days focus on the brightest students because they're the ones that will gain your institution notoriety. It's rather sad actually.


Oxbridge and Medicine admissions tutors are looking for very specific things - they are very different to other universities. Having someone who understands those systems to do the references for people applying to Oxbridge and Medicine isn't short-changing the other students, it's putting the applicants to those most competitive courses on a level playing field with grammar school and private school pupils.
Original post by Chlorophile
Oxbridge and Medicine admissions tutors are looking for very specific things - they are very different to other universities. Having someone who understands those systems to do the references for people applying to Oxbridge and Medicine isn't short-changing the other students, it's putting the applicants to those most competitive courses on a level playing field with grammar school and private school pupils.



Your school is stretched thin I get it. I'm not blaming you for taking the specialist help from your head of sixth form however the issue still remains that students who aren't applying to the top courses are getting sold short because they're not smart enough to warrant the extra help which is actually paradoxical.
Original post by Queen Rosemary
Your school is stretched thin I get it. I'm not blaming you for taking the specialist help from your head of sixth form however the issue still remains that students who aren't applying to the top courses are getting sold short because they're not smart enough to warrant the extra help which is actually paradoxical.


The students who are applying to the most competitive courses are obviously going to get the most help, because those are the most difficult courses to get into. Yes, in an ideal world everyone would get the best help possible but I really don't know what you're suggesting my school should do instead given its limited resources?
Original post by Chlorophile
The students who are applying to the most competitive courses are obviously going to get the most help, because those are the most difficult courses to get into. Yes, in an ideal world everyone would get the best help possible but I really don't know what you're suggesting my school should do instead given its limited resources?



I suggest your head of sixth form collaborates with the teachers/tutors that do the refs. for the non-competitive course students and she should pass her specialist knowledge along instead of being the only ref. who actually has a clue about med/dent/law/oxbridge.

The students that need the most help are the ones who are struggling not the ones achieving A*s and sitting UKCAT/BMAT.
At my school, Oxbridge and Medicine applicants get the best references. Despite my grades, I'd probably class myself as pretty average and unremarkable but my reference made me sound amazing. If I do get an interview, whoever interviews me will be disappointed.
Original post by Queen Rosemary
I suggest your head of sixth form collaborates with the teachers/tutors that do the refs. for the non-competitive course students and she should pass her specialist knowledge along instead of being the only ref. who actually has a clue about med/dent/law/oxbridge.

The students that need the most help are the ones who are struggling not the ones achieving A*s and sitting UKCAT/BMAT.


Why does someone applying for a normal course need an oxbridge/med specialist doing their reference?

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