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Tory MP accused of murdering his 12 year old abuse victim & another 2 murders!

I don't quite have the words to even start to explain this

Tory MP is accused of strangling & murdering a 12 year old boy he was sexually abusing. A 2nd young boy is said to have been run over and a 3rd young boy is said to have been murdered whilst a Tory MP watched!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836357/Victim-VIP-abuse-scandal-says-saw-Conservative-MP-kill-young-boy-police-launch-probe-THREE-deaths-linked-depraved-sex-ring.html

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Reply 1
sadly it's nothing new or suprising. what do ppl expect many people who are power tripping in positions of authority are like?
this sort of stuff has always been widepsread amongst mps. it's not exclusive to a certain decade or a certain party. you'd find such types as labour mps, libdems etc, all of them.

of course they have all sorts of orgies and with their power hungry, antisocial personality disorders they satisfy any perverted fantasies they have at the expense of commoners feelings and lives.

it's been the same all through human history in every part of the world.
There doesn't seem to be any concrete evidence yet, but as we know that paedophiles are also sometimes murderers of children, it isn't beyond the bounds of possibility.

If this does turn out to be true, there needs to be a proper enquiry into how much Margaret Thatcher knew about their activities and how MI5 behaved as well. For example, Prime Ministers receive briefings from the security services on the misconduct of MPs. It's obviously relevant to this story that the former deputy director of MI6, Peter Hayman, was apparently involved. It's also interesting that Thatcher had many meetings with Savile, encouraged his public profile and was apparently supportive, even though it must be likely that she also had police reports on him, since the police were suspicious of him from years earlier and regarded him as a possible suspect in the Ripper enquiry. (We now know.)

It also seems likely that there are people still living who conspired with these individuals and current serving Tory peers who knew of them.
I am somewhat sceptical that these murders happened at all.

If there had been three unsolved murders of three young teenage boys in London at a similar time, the press would have been full of the story particularly if there was evidence of sexual abuse.

That means (a) that the disappearances were of people that would not be missed (cf Fred and Rose West) and either (b) the bodies could be comprehensively disposed of; or (b) the deaths passed off as natural causes.

That doesn't feel likely in the case of the Dolphin Square flats. Flats with concierges and high security for prominent people during the IRA bombing campaign do not seem the most obvious murder location. The security is sufficiently good at Dolphin Square that long after these events Princess Anne lived there.

Moreover covering up murders requires a conspiracy of a different order of magnitude to running a paedophile ring.

One can test any conspiracy by the number of non-conspirators needed to be involved and what those non-conspirators have to do. Non-conspirators are people who play a part believing what they are doing is proper and lawful (or is a different wrong to the actual wrong) whereas a conspirator knows that what precisely he is doing is wrong and why. This looks to be too difficult a conspiracy to be believable because it would seem to involve too many non-conspirators.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
It's also interesting that Thatcher had many meetings with Savile, encouraged his public profile and was apparently supportive, even though it must be likely that she also had police reports on him, since the police were suspicious of him from years earlier and regarded him as a possible suspect in the Ripper enquiry. (We now know.)


You should really ask this question the other way around. Why didn't Margaret Thatcher give him a gong?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/margaret-thatcher-made-repeated-attempts-to-get-jimmy-savile-knighted--despite-pleas-from-concerned-aides-8713407.html

What you have is a gong refusal from Wilson, a gong very quickly granted by Heath and gongs repeatedly withheld under Thatcher despite her clear personal wishes.

Frankly this looks like civil servants had damning information on him that they didn't share with the PM. If you didn't like the man but the PM and Prince Charles and the Great British public did, then as a senior civil servant surely you would go with the flow? Equally, if you had shared damning evidence with the PM and royalty, they would have dropped him like a stone.

Clearly the Catholic Church was taking its lead from No.10 in handing out its honour.
Reply 5
Original post by nulli tertius
I am somewhat sceptical that these murders happened at all.

If there had been three unsolved murders of three young teenage boys in London at a similar time, the press would have been full of the story particularly if there was evidence of sexual abuse.

That means (a) that the disappearances were of people that would not be missed (cf Fred and Rose West) and either (b) the bodies could be comprehensively disposed of; or (b) the deaths passed off as natural causes.

That doesn't feel likely in the case of the Dolphin Square flats. Flats with concierges and high security for prominent people during the IRA bombing campaign do not seem the most obvious murder location. The security is sufficiently good at Dolphin Square that long after these events Princess Anne lived there.

Moreover covering up murders requires a conspiracy of a different order of magnitude to running a paedophile ring.

One can test any conspiracy by the number of non-conspirators needed to be involved and what those non-conspirators have to do. Non-conspirators are people who play a part believing what they are doing is proper and lawful (or is a different wrong to the actual wrong) whereas a conspirator knows that what precisely he is doing is wrong and why. This looks to be too difficult a conspiracy to be believable because it would seem to involve too many non-conspirators.


Not exactly a first
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1304827/Sex-lies-Downing-Street-cover-left-Krays-free-kill.html



Amongst much there that is perfectly believable, one thing rings very hollow:

Alec Douglas-Home was present the night 21st March 1963 Jack Profumo lied to his cabinet colleagues about an affair with Christine Keeler.

Can one really believe that only a year later he would accept Robert Boothby's assurance of no relationship with Kray?
Maybe it's time we started asking ourselves if Tory culture is compatible with our modern British values.
Original post by Captain Haddock
Maybe it's time we started asking ourselves if Tory culture is compatible with our modern British values.


It has been said for many years; Labour politicians have financial scandals, Tories have sex scandals.
Original post by nulli tertius
You should really ask this question the other way around. Why didn't Margaret Thatcher give him a gong?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/margaret-thatcher-made-repeated-attempts-to-get-jimmy-savile-knighted--despite-pleas-from-concerned-aides-8713407.html

What you have is a gong refusal from Wilson, a gong very quickly granted by Heath and gongs repeatedly withheld under Thatcher despite her clear personal wishes.

Frankly this looks like civil servants had damning information on him that they didn't share with the PM. If you didn't like the man but the PM and Prince Charles and the Great British public did, then as a senior civil servant surely you would go with the flow? Equally, if you had shared damning evidence with the PM and royalty, they would have dropped him like a stone.

Clearly the Catholic Church was taking its lead from No.10 in handing out its honour.


And yet Armstrong didn't (as far as we know) warn her about the paedophile allegations against him which were already known to the police then and presumably the security services, who routinely vet people who have relationships with prime ministers - such as spending time at their family homes, which Savile did.

Either the upper echelons of the services were remarkably uninterested in the allegations (undue toleration of sex with boys, regardless of the ugly facts of those cases, passing them off as unimportant in the scheme of things?) or there is more to it. I suspect that Savile was sufficiently friendly with a range of senior people that he 'had protection'. And who better to offer such protection that senior Tories themselves involved in vile paedophile activities?
Original post by Captain Haddock
Maybe it's time we started asking ourselves if Tory culture is compatible with our modern British values.


:rofl:

David Cameron is the finest prime minister of the 1950s we've had for some time.
hmmm it seems very odd that this "witness" "saw" a Tory MP killing someone in front of him, then left him free to report the crime later...
Original post by nulli tertius
Amongst much there that is perfectly believable, one thing rings very hollow:

Alec Douglas-Home was present the night 21st March 1963 Jack Profumo lied to his cabinet colleagues about an affair with Christine Keeler.

Can one really believe that only a year later he would accept Robert Boothby's assurance of no relationship with Kray?


Boothby seems to have been one of the least attractive personalities of the 60s, yet he was on TV constantly (he was a panelist, for example, on BBC Parliament's replayed coverage of the 1964 General Election the other night) and was apparently welcome in every significant drawing room. Clearly consorting with gangsters, having them procure teenage boys for you and having a drug habit were no bars to full acceptability in the establishment of the day.

These were the people that called the protest movements of the day 'long haired hippies' and 'wastrels'.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
And yet Armstrong didn't (as far as we know) warn her about the paedophile allegations against him which were already known to the police then and presumably the security services, who routinely vet people who have relationships with prime ministers - such as spending time at their family homes, which Savile did.

Either the upper echelons of the services were remarkably uninterested in the allegations (undue toleration of sex with boys, regardless of the ugly facts of those cases, passing them off as unimportant in the scheme of things?) or there is more to it. I suspect that Savile was sufficiently friendly with a range of senior people that he 'had protection'. And who better to offer such protection that senior Tories themselves involved in vile paedophile activities?


And those are, I think the pertinent questions rather than the game of "tar a political opponent" which is going on at the moment.

Theresa May is being extremely careful. She knows that there will be some unexploded bombs to go off here and is making it perfectly clear that she isn't going to go out on a limb to make denials where all there is at present is an absence of evidence.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
Boothby seems to have been one of the least attractive personalities of the 60s, yet he was on TV constantly (he was a panelist, for example, on BBC Parliament's replayed coverage of the 1964 General Election the other night) and was apparently welcome in every significant drawing room.


There were other rooms at No. 10 where he was welcome.


Clearly consorting with gangsters, having them procure teenage boys for you and having a drug habit were no bars to full acceptability in the establishment of the day.


If rogering the Prime Minister's wife doesn't harm your social position, I don't think you have much to fear from these.
Original post by Fullofsurprises


Either the upper echelons of the services were remarkably uninterested in the allegations (undue toleration of sex with boys, regardless of the ugly facts of those cases, passing them off as unimportant in the scheme of things?) or there is more to it.


A key thing that I have posted on a number of threads here is the utter irrelevance of the age of 16 in relation to homosexual acts at the time in question.

Much of the public discussion concentrates on the age of the boys, but the behaviour was always illegal if a young man was under 21 or there were more than two persons present.

In a sense that wider criminality gave men who liked little boys an advantage over men who liked little girls. It made it less rather than more likely that people would raise questions.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
There doesn't seem to be any concrete evidence yet, but as we know that paedophiles are also sometimes murderers of children, it isn't beyond the bounds of possibility.

If this does turn out to be true, there needs to be a proper enquiry into how much Margaret Thatcher knew about their activities and how MI5 behaved as well. For example, Prime Ministers receive briefings from the security services on the misconduct of MPs. It's obviously relevant to this story that the former deputy director of MI6, Peter Hayman, was apparently involved. It's also interesting that Thatcher had many meetings with Savile, encouraged his public profile and was apparently supportive, even though it must be likely that she also had police reports on him, since the police were suspicious of him from years earlier and regarded him as a possible suspect in the Ripper enquiry. (We now know.)

It also seems likely that there are people still living who conspired with these individuals and current serving Tory peers who knew of them.


Although I agree with you, there's something about these new aims that don't feel right.
This is interesting, but I wouldn't read too much into it yet. First and foremost, this is a Daily Mail article - and we know how much the Daily Mail loves a scandal. And secondly, the details are very vague and sketchy, so the allegations are hardly concrete or proven. It will definitely be interesting to see if and how this story develops over the coming weeks and months.
Original post by Captain Haddock
Maybe it's time we started asking ourselves if Tory culture is compatible with our modern British values.


Our children are not safe with these people around, kick em out of Britain.

Edit: O the daily mail is publishing this? Better wait for a more legit, 50% truth non distorting paper to publish it first.
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Original post by ChronoPass
Our children are not safe with these people around, kick em out of Britain.

Edit: O the daily mail is publishing this? Better wait for a more legit, 50% truth non distorting paper to publish it first.


Quite a few papers are running it now - only the BBC and the Guardian appear to be holding back.

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#tbm=nws&q=tory+paedophile+murder

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