Why should we care about the gender pay gap?

How do you guys have time to take care of the child if both of you are working? Not to put you on the spot or anything about any of this, I've always been curious about these things but never got around to asking anyone

Grandparents (her parents) help out. I get home earlier than she does so I spend more time with her but she spends a healthy amount of time with both her parents.

That's nice of the grandparents, are you a foreigner or UK?

Isn't this awfully off-topic?

Isn't this awfully off-topic?

In the vast majority of societies, the inane and irrational ramblings of the feminist movement would have been completely ignored by anyone with a modicum of ability to critically reason and analyse ideas. Now, however, the elite are taking these swivel-eyed loons seriously and thus we have no choice but to mobilise against their anti-freedom radicalism.

I'm going to ignore the pathetic parade of petitions calling for one thing or another to be banned as those are too moronic to warrant my time. Instead, I'm going to address an issue constantly put forward by pretty much every feminist; even the so-called moderate and nice ones: the gender pay gap.

A fair bit of evidence has been churned out for the past few years about how men earn more than women overall and what a terrible injustice this all is, and how wonderful it would be if we were all paid the same and the same numbers of people were doing each job.

This form of social engineering, where feminists want to alter the demographic make-up of each job to reflect their own agendas, must be rejected by anyone who values freedom.

My beautiful daughter turns four tomorrow, and I'm very optimistic about her life prospects. She's already some way ahead of those in her age group in maths and English and has an awareness of the world way beyond her years, as well as confidence in herself and respect for others.

Yet according to the feminists, I must be terrified for my daughter's future and angry at the mythical patriarchy for ruining her life chances. Apparently, the fact that women on average get paid less is deeply damaging to her future.

This is insanity. What matters when taking mine or anyone's daughter's future into consideration, assuming that girls are given the best possible upbringing, is that they have the maximum possible freedom to pursue their goals, and freedom from discrimination in the workplace. Women tend to prioritise job satisfaction over pay and thus are more likely to occupy lower-paid jobs. I'm neutral about which of these two paths my daughter chooses to pursue; it's her life and her choice; what matters is that she has the freedom to pursue her own happiness.

Both of these rights are enshrined in this country's law. You'd think feminists would be jumping for joy at this. They are all for improvement of women's lives, apparently.

But no. Instead, they want draconian socialist legislation that pressurises women into certain jobs and ensures that women are paid the same for work that is less challenging. Such legislation is deeply worrying for my wife and I, as the parents of a daughter, as the state seek to curtail her ambition and foster a sense of entitlement in my daughter.

Those of us who care about girls in this country must reject the social engineering proposals that come from those who talk about the gender pay gap. We must reject those who perpetuate the myth that equality is the greatest human virtue and instead promote the ideal that every truly successful man and woman aspires to: freedom.

You obviously haven't looked at the research, the pay gap is for the SAME job, so picking a job a woman wants has nothing to do with the pay gap. It's about employers (usually men) paying a woman less for the same job because they think she's not worth as much as a man.

In my opinion you have very misogynistic views, and I wish good luck for your daughter.

You obviously haven't looked at the research, the pay gap is for the SAME job, so picking a job a woman wants has nothing to do with the pay gap. It's about employers (usually men) paying a woman less for the same job because they think she's not worth as much as a man.

In my opinion you have very misogynistic views, and I wish good luck for your daughter.

Very. She seems nice enough but I didn't start this thread to discuss this.

twisted if you want to chat with me any further then PM me.

Would you mind linking to this research?

Is there any peer reviewed evidence to support this claim?

If what you are saying is true then said women should sue. That's what equalities legislation is for.

I'm struggling to see what part of my post is misogynistic. That word is horribly over-used nowadays.

Freedom would be to allow companies to pay whomever they like whatever they like.

Sure, I've read the article before but it was a while back so bare with me on trying to find it.

The way you put down feminists in an abrupt manner like what they are fighting for is worthless comes across as misogynistic, I don't blame you, you come from an older generation

Explain?

In what context? That of equal pay?

No. Freedom would be to allow companies to pay whomever they like whatever they like.

But still, you failed to explain how it works even in the context stated.

Sure, I've read the article before but it was a while back so bare with me on trying to find it.

The way you put down feminists in an abrupt manner like what they are fighting for is worthless comes across as misogynistic, I don't blame you, you come from an older generation

Explain what?

I believe that giving people the freedom to offer employment to anyone for any wage they want is more free than imposing equality laws upon them.

I'm in my 20s.

The fight is over. Women have equal rights now, no matter how much they seek to deny it. Continuing feminism serves no purpose other than to encourage further state encroachment into our lives.

Would you mind linking to this research?

No, and no, I'd be very interested in what your wife thinks about this, and your daughter as shes so 'clever'.

Here's the article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/graduate-pay-gap-same-degrees-same-jobs-but-for-women-still-not-the-same-pay-8523471.html

For some reason he doesn't quote sources which makes me question validity but I would be certain that it's a reliable source.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/graduate-pay-gap-same-degrees-same-jobs-but-for-women-still-not-the-same-pay-8523471.html

In the vast majority of societies, the inane and irrational ramblings of the feminist movement would have been completely ignored by anyone with a modicum of ability to critically reason and analyse ideas. Now, however, the elite are taking these swivel-eyed loons seriously and thus we have no choice but to mobilise against their anti-freedom radicalism.

I'm going to ignore the pathetic parade of petitions calling for one thing or another to be banned as those are too moronic to warrant my time. Instead, I'm going to address an issue constantly put forward by pretty much every feminist; even the so-called moderate and nice ones: the gender pay gap.

A fair bit of evidence has been churned out for the past few years about how men earn more than women overall and what a terrible injustice this all is, and how wonderful it would be if we were all paid the same and the same numbers of people were doing each job.

This form of social engineering, where feminists want to alter the demographic make-up of each job to reflect their own agendas, must be rejected by anyone who values freedom.

My beautiful daughter turns four tomorrow, and I'm very optimistic about her life prospects. She's already some way ahead of those in her age group in maths and English and has an awareness of the world way beyond her years, as well as confidence in herself and respect for others.

Yet according to the feminists, I must be terrified for my daughter's future and angry at the mythical patriarchy for ruining her life chances. Apparently, the fact that women on average get paid less is deeply damaging to her future.

This is insanity. What matters when taking mine or anyone's daughter's future into consideration, assuming that girls are given the best possible upbringing, is that they have the maximum possible freedom to pursue their goals, and freedom from discrimination in the workplace. Women tend to prioritise job satisfaction over pay and thus are more likely to occupy lower-paid jobs. I'm neutral about which of these two paths my daughter chooses to pursue; it's her life and her choice; what matters is that she has the freedom to pursue her own happiness.

Both of these rights are enshrined in this country's law. You'd think feminists would be jumping for joy at this. They are all for improvement of women's lives, apparently.

But no. Instead, they want draconian socialist legislation that pressurises women into certain jobs and ensures that women are paid the same for work that is less challenging. Such legislation is deeply worrying for my wife and I, as the parents of a daughter, as the state seek to curtail her ambition and foster a sense of entitlement in my daughter.

Those of us who care about girls in this country must reject the social engineering proposals that come from those who talk about the gender pay gap. We must reject those who perpetuate the myth that equality is the greatest human virtue and instead promote the ideal that every truly successful man and woman aspires to: freedom.

Nobody put down feminists that make such sweeping statements