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The West should intervene in Africa

The Somali Islamist militant group al Shabaab said it had staged an attack in Kenya on Saturday in which gunmen ordered non-Muslims off a bus and shot 28 dead, while sparing Muslim passengers.

The region is awash with guns due to its proximity to Somalia, where al Shabaab has been fighting to topple the government, and Ethiopia, whose armed Oromo Liberation Front has made incursions into Kenya.

Insecurity plagues East Africa's biggest economy, prompting Western nations to issue travel warnings and hitting the tourism industry, a major source of hard currency.

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Should the West now intervene to combat growing Islamism in Africa?
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Botswana believes this is a matter for the AU to deal with, and the Kenyan government, they have been seen not protecting areas north of the country, an attack like this was bound to happen, also we should not be calling the West to solve all our problems. It's a matter of organising an robust continental intelligence agency to specifically deal with terrorist attacks before they happen.

May we add that we don't like how the Nigerian government has dealt with Boko Haram in their country, they have the biggest army in Africa and they can't contain a militia, it's disgraceful how they blame the west for not intervening, when their own rampant corruption has thrown their own country into this security instability.

(Side note: Not trying to sound like a prick but it's annoying when people are not specific when talking about Africa, for example, there's extremism
in max 11 countries out of 56, including Libya, Nigeria,DRC, and Kenya etc. so it's not accurate putting it under 'Africa'. It's like saying 'Russian aggression in Europe, lets intervene' when it's only Ukraine in an indirect war with Russia. Like I said, not trying trying to offend,just venting but:colondollar:, being from Botswana, and living there, seeing some generalizations of the second biggest continent on the internet can sometimes be annoying, though sometimes funny.:biggrin:)
Uruguay wishes the West would eventually learn that intervention is generally not successful.
New Zealand would push Uruguay to offer a solution which does not offer intervention. It's easy to be a critic but these problems need to be sorted out. That is, unless we leave the world outside of the West to self destruct.
Original post by Nigel Farage MEP
New Zealand would push Uruguay to offer a solution which does not offer intervention. It's easy to be a critic but these problems need to be sorted out. That is, unless we leave the world outside of the West to self destruct.


Uruguay doesn't believe it's the role of the West to deal with this. As the representative for Botswana has said, the affected countries' national governments must stand up and be counted.
Original post by O133
Uruguay doesn't believe it's the role of the West to deal with this. As the representative for Botswana has said, the affected countries' national governments must stand up and be counted.


What would the response be to the argument the countries in Africa are too weak to stand up against this larger threat which receives more income than the entire GDP of most African countries?
Original post by Nigel Farage MEP
What would the response be to the argument the countries in Africa are too weak to stand up against this larger threat which receives more income than the entire GDP of most African countries?


I point you again to the comments of the only African nation to make a statement so far.
Original post by McRite
Botswana believes this is a matter for the AU to deal with, and the Kenyan government, they have been seen not protecting areas north of the country, an attack like this was bound to happen, also we should not be calling the West to solve all our problems. It's a matter of organising an robust continental intelligence agency to specifically deal with terrorist attacks before they happen.

May we add that we don't like how the Nigerian government has dealt with Boko Haram in their country, they have the biggest army in Africa and they can't contain a militia, it's disgraceful how they blame the west for not intervening, when their own rampant corruption has thrown their own country into this security instability.

(Side note: Not trying to sound like a prick but it's annoying when people are not specific when talking about Africa, for example, there's extremism
in max 11 countries out of 56, including Libya, Nigeria, DRC, and Kenya etc. so it's not accurate putting it under 'Africa'. It's like saying 'Russian aggression in Europe,lets intervene' when it's only Ukraine in an indirect war with Russia. Like I said, not trying trying to offend,just venting but:colondollar:, being from Botswana, and living there, seeing some generalizations of the second biggest continent on the internet can sometimes be annoying, though sometimes funny.:biggrin:)


I ask Botswana the following:

Could it not be the case the Kenyans are incapable of defending the north? 25,000 extremely poorly equipped soldiers with not enough guns to go around, in lightly armored vehicles from the Soviet era or earlier, spending a mighty $800m per year does not seem like a credible force against extremists.

Is the slightly better funded and slightly better equipped Nigerian forces inability to defeat Boko Haram not a sign of how difficult the task is to defeat extremist groups? If the superior Nigerian military cannot defeat a group why can the Kenyan military?

Corruption and lack of capability hamper efforts to coordinate a response. During peacekeeping missions several African nations (Nigeria, Algeria, SA, Kenya) have asked the West for transport support to move their troops to where they need to be. Assuming a situation in which the West stays out, the combined forces of the AU will be unable to even reach the conflict zones. The intelligence agencies also don't exist to start a simultaneous plot against extremists. In what way does Botswana think a combined response will work? At the moment, there's a bigger incentive for the West to step in securing natural resources all over the continent exploiting the countries in the continent. Where is the benefit in having the West sit out letting the, so far ineffective, AU deal with the growing problems?
Reply 8
Original post by Nigel Farage MEP
I ask Botswana the following:

Could it not be the case the Kenyans are incapable of defending the north? 25,000 extremely poorly equipped soldiers with not enough guns to go around, in lightly armored vehicles from the Soviet era or earlier, spending a mighty $800m per year does not seem like a credible force against extremists.

Is the slightly better funded and slightly better equipped Nigerian forces inability to defeat Boko Haram not a sign of how difficult the task is to defeat extremist groups? If the superior Nigerian military cannot defeat a group why can the Kenyan military?

Corruption and lack of capability hamper efforts to coordinate a response. During peacekeeping missions several African nations (Nigeria, Algeria, SA, Kenya) have asked the West for transport support to move their troops to where they need to be. Assuming a situation in which the West stays out, the combined forces of the AU will be unable to even reach the conflict zones. The intelligence agencies also don't exist to start a simultaneous plot against extremists. In what way does Botswana think a combined response will work? At the moment, there's a bigger incentive for the West to step in securing natural resources all over the continent exploiting the countries in the continent. Where is the benefit in having the West sit out letting the, so far ineffective, AU deal with the growing problems?


OOC: Great post btw.:hat2:

Botswana acknowledges New Zealand's concerns about the AU's ability to eliminate extremism in certain parts in Africa, and this is our response.

Even though our intervention may not be as effective as needed, we feel the AU can still do a better job than the West. Firstly, because when the west intervene in a conflict it's not fully committed as they show no care towards Africa, for example its failures to stop the conflict in Somalia or help the government gain back territory in the 1990's. Its inability to act when the Rwanda genocide occurred. Also, its lack of commitment to most of the other conflicts, with African troops composing most of UN peacekeeping missions.

Secondly, the AU is proving it can do a better job militarily, for example in Somalia, we have regained Mogadishu, ensured the safety for the current Somali Government and we're regaining territory in the south of the country.

Individual African countries may not be enough to curb extremism on their soil. It could be said that al-Shabaab is not gaining any territory in Kenya, just committing violent crimes which could mean a more robust border protection force is needed to stop the Militia from moving between Somalia and Kenya, (OOC: Only thought of this now), which can be provided via the AU, but a robust continental intelligence taskforce against extremists would be needed in order to allow information to reach different countries without any delay about potential threats as well as coordinate precision attacks on high ranking targets, etc. so that we don't have to rely on reliable intelligence from our former colonies.

Collectively the AU can accomplish a lot of goals against extremism, and we might need the west for humanitarian support or logistics support, however other than that the AU can perform most of the heavy lifting.

Finally African natural resources belong to Africans. Ok, tbh they belong to China.

TL;DR: The West won't do much, the AU can do better for its members.
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Mexico believes assistance should not be provided by the West to Africa, instead we should be looking at self-improvement both economically and socially.

Unless East Africa steps up its game, it will have to go alone.
Reply 10
Original post by Iggy Azalea
Mexico believes assistance should not be provided by the West to Africa, instead we should be looking at self-improvement both economically and socially.

Unless East Africa steps up its game, it will have to go alone.


Whilst Japan agrees that a self-improvement scheme is the necessary step forwards, we would like to see aid and further peacekeeping missions to Africa.

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