Should Brits have to contribute for 4 years as well?

Now that Cameron wants new immigrants to work for 4 years before getting benefits, should Brits also do the same beofre getting benefits?

This would stop the work shy and those who got straight from school to live off benefits instead of getting a job.

It would also reduce the need for low skilled immigrants because Brits will now have to do the dirty, hard and low paid jobs that are now "beneath" them because they will get no benefits until they have paid enough to qualify for them.

It is so infuriating that people buy into the tosh eminating from political parties in the UK which is nothing more than an attempt by said parties to grab headlines and votes. None of this **** is actually responsible for the state the UK economy is in. The attention is then taken away from the issues which really do matter and are hammering our economy, while the masses bicker with each other over irrelevant crap.

Immigration - Some figures suggest that there is little difference to the economy either way, some suggest it has a slightly negative impact and quite a few from government sources suggest that immigration is actually helping our economy. (these figures are widely available, if anyone wants links I will happily furnish you with them).

Conclusion - The impact of immigration on the economy is hard to quantify, it really depends on how it is measured. It would seem evident though that the impact is unlikely to be significantly negative on the scale of things and it is very possible immigration is having a positive effect not a negative one. So this really is not something to get our knickers in a twist over.

Unemployment - So how much impact are those 'feckless' 'workshy' 'scroungers' having on the economy? Well unemployment benefits equate to just over 3% of the welfare budget at £3bn. Hmm that hardly seems like the root of the nations troubles does it? Pensions on the other hand amount to 36% of the welfare budget at £36bn, 12 times what unemployment benefit is costing the nation.

Source: http://leftfootforward.org/images/2012/03/Breakdown-of-welfare-spending-2009-10.jpg

Conclusion - Compared to other expenses, unemployment benefits make up a small percentage of the welfare bill but pensions are 12 times more, and with people living longer this cost is only going to go one way. This ties back to immigration, maybe we actually need MORE immigration (fair enough perhaps a little more selective) to have a larger pool of workers who are paying tax into the system.

Banking - Yeah I know, not as sexy a subject as bashing those lazy workshy feckers who won't go out and get a job, I mean there are so many well paid secure employment opportunities around just now... /irony. "Since 2007 the UK has committed to spending £1.162 trillion at various points on bailing out the banks". This amount of money would cover unemployment benefit at the current rate until the year 2401.

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check-with-polly-curtis/2011/sep/12/reality-check-banking-bailout

Conclusion - This is obviously a major factor regarding the plight of the UK economy. Strange then that bankers continue to recieve their bonuses whilst a raft of measures come out to sort out those lazy feckless scapegoats/poor.


Tax evasion - Official figures show this cost the UK economy £35bn last year, about the same as the pension bill and 12 times the cost of unemployment benefit. These figures are said to be conservative with some estimates putting the cost at £120bn. That more than 4 times the pensions bill and enough to pay unemployment benefits at the current rate for 40 years.

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check-with-polly-curtis/2011/sep/12/reality-check-banking-bailout

Conclusion - Without doubt this is another major factor in the state of the UK economy. So what is being done? well much the same effort as with the bankers. There are at best token efforts to tackle this problem.

Overall conclusion

If you wish to allow some of the least effective political parties this country has ever seen to act with impunity then carry on as you are doing. The nation is being distracted by divide and rule tactics which uses the most vulnerable people in the country as scapegoats, all the while allowing the real culprits to continue fleecing the country. It is not the workshy lazy feckers who are pilfering out your wage packet, it is the politicians, bankers and tax avoiders who are facilitating a failing political system, destroying our economy and threatening to bring the country to it's knees (if it isn't already there).

Stop being distracted by this ****, these political parties are going so far as to blame immigration, the disabled, poor and people who cannot find work. These people are not the cause of the countries woes, many would love a better situation and are faced with a work market offering little stability, zero hour contracts and work schemes that somehow are allowed to ignore the minimum wage requirements completely.

It is time to hold every political party who ignores the real causes of austerity, the failing economy and inequality to account. Wake up people, please!

Think about someone who is genuinely trying to find work. I mean, making the job search a full-time occupation, applying to many jobs per day, being called for and attending interviews and so-on, maybe even getting some education and doing some volunteering but still not actually landing work. You'll even get those who'd rather let themselves get into poverty before swallowing their pride and signing on, but they do it because otherwise they'll die of starvation or cold.

Do you think it will be easier for them to find work if:

1) They are housed, fed, and sane,

2) They are cold, hungry and frightened?

I can understand the anger at slackers but there are those in genuine need of that lifeline who are doing everything they can to get a job and haven't had success.

I'm assuming this is just referring to jobseekers and not referring to people who can't work for legitimate reasons.

What about all of those feckless workshy graduates ie "the graduate unemployed".

They have just received hefty loans by the government to subsidise their three years of university aka lying in bed hungover, missing lectures because they can "get it from the portal anyway", then spending every evening on the lash often in some kind of stupid fancy dress, generally irritating everybody else in their town.

Why should they be allowed to then get benefits when they can't get a job after their degree?

It's time we start having a sensible debate about students and the government starts listening to genuine concerns about the influx of students in some towns that is damaging social cohesion. Of course the Westminster elite don't want to talk about it but I wonder how many of the Westminster elite live somewhere where a flat of 6 students moves in next door blaring music out at 3am in the morning and destroying the community.

Now that Cameron wants new immigrants to work for 4 years before getting benefits, should Brits also do the same beofre getting benefits?

This would stop the work shy and those who got straight from school to live off benefits instead of getting a job.

It would also reduce the need for low skilled immigrants because Brits will now have to do the dirty, hard and low paid jobs that are now "beneath" them because they will get no benefits until they have paid enough to qualify for them.

Why should people who have lived here all their lives be held to the same restrictions as those who haven't?

A little more career advice would've been helpful to start with.

I know the engineering company I work for is in a battle with other companies to attract apprentices.

Equally, we can't get hold of graduate engineers for love not money.

I guess many will be regretting that choice if studying media studies, sociology and modern art history.

Now that Cameron wants new immigrants to work for 4 years before getting benefits, should Brits also do the same beofre getting benefits?

This would stop the work shy and those who got straight from school to live off benefits instead of getting a job.

It would also reduce the need for low skilled immigrants because Brits will now have to do the dirty, hard and low paid jobs that are now "beneath" them because they will get no benefits until they have paid enough to qualify for them.