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Original post by rhstar
wow where do you get all your information from, you clearly have a lot of hate for south asians and muslims, You need to stop generalising yourself, so biased its ridicolous.


Blame the media.

Its the result of what you just read.

Which is why, China and India will be the next superpower of the decades, along with Japan somewhere.

Then we won't need to worry about the Western Powers anymore :biggrin:
For the record I am immensly proud to be white and all I see here is bitter people with an inferioirty complex !!
I am a racist insofar as I identify exclusively with my race as my extended family, and I seek its betterment. I do not, however, seek to do ill unto those not of my race (like the spitting which the OP mentioned) as that achieves nought and yields only unnecessary conflict. Good manners cost nothing.
Original post by ProudEnglishman
I am a racist insofar as I identify exclusively with my race as my extended family, and I seek its betterment. I do not, however, seek to do ill unto those not of my race (like the spitting which the OP mentioned) as that achieves nought and yields only unnecessary conflict. Good manners cost nothing.


So then you're not a racist - you only identify with your race.

If you do not seek to do ill to any other race, I don't find you racist.

Not unless if you were to make concealed statements or anything like that.
Original post by The Marshall
So then you're not a racist - you only identify with your race.

If you do not seek to do ill to any other race, I don't find you racist.

Not unless if you were to make concealed statements or anything like that.


Well, I want a British ethnostate which obviously would involve the civilised, gradual repatriation of all non-indigenous. That statement you will probably find “racist”.
Original post by ProudEnglishman
Well, I want a British ethnostate which obviously would involve the civilised, gradual repatriation of all non-indigenous. That statement you will probably find “racist”.


Well then its a shame because I wasn't thinking you weren't.

But after that, I will say you're no different from the rest. The statement you wrote reveals everything.

Still, it was nice talking to you.
Original post by The Marshall
Well then its a shame because I wasn't thinking you weren't.

But after that, I will say you're no different from the rest. The statement you wrote reveals everything.

Still, it was nice talking to you.


It was nice talking to you too.
When the minorities are more racist than the majority, I don't think you can be considered a racist nation.
Original post by ProudEnglishman
Well, I want a British ethnostate which obviously would involve the civilised, gradual repatriation of all non-indigenous. That statement you will probably find “racist”.


I do not support repatriation, but I do support favouring white immigrants over non white immigrants.

Like yourself i identify very strongly with my ethnic group and race and. i prefer to be around my own people and. i believe that white societies are better societies.

I feel a comraderie and kinship with other whites that I do not share with non whites and i think this is a perfectly natural perception of my own identity
Original post by -Native Briton-
I do not support repatriation, but I do support favouring white immigrants over non white immigrants.

Like yourself i identify very strongly with my ethnic group and race and. i prefer to be around my own people and. i believe that white societies are better societies.

I feel a comraderie and kinship with other whites that I do not share with non whites and i think this is a perfectly natural perception of my own identity


My race, my nation is my tribe, and thus I seek to protect and better it. Repatriation is the first step to a greater folkish revival here in Britain and across all of Europe. This must involve not just a demographic restoration, but a cultural, moral and economic restoration too.

Anything less than a policy of civilised, gradual total repatriation, and we're just postponing the problems and thus delaying the folkish rebirth. Time is running out. Measures need to be taken if our kind shall still exist in any meaningful quantity and quality in the future.

As the great David Lane once said:
“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children.”
Reply 210
Baibastaiy, I have to agree with you, I'm 19 and live in south England and it is by far the most racist you can ever get. Not open racism often but there is underlying racism in all aspects of life here, if you want to socialise especially on a personal level (only contacts I can make are from other countries) but even walking to a supermarket or in a workplace people look at you differently if you are not white.

I was born to Pakistani parents but am athiest and couldn't go back there as I don't like their culture either but would like to add that underlying racism comes from minorities like Pakistan as well. The worst is with the girls that grow up here (whether they are white, black, brown or blue) to be very stuck up and ignorant but the white girls are much worse because I have a good personality and I have to chase them up and then they will either say from the lightest "Sorry, I'm not interested" or "Stop being a creep" to the even more insane "I'm lesbian" when I see her status saying shes are dating a white guy no different in personality but obviously if I was white I would've already had dozens female friends as well as a gf obviously.

I am not generalising btw, I've only lived in Kent and south London maybe up north is the complete opposite but I am planning to move to Portugal, I know people there and from what I hear is a lot better than UK to live in where people are more friendlier and far less streotypical as soon as I am ok financially and start a fresh life, I'm seriously sorry you're experience is the same as mine.

BTW, girls are far more friendlier there too and I'll lose my virginity to one of them instead. :smile:
only the racist are racist
Its an absolute miracle that there have not been regular race riots in the large urban areas. For the moment the benefit system, football and alcohol seems to be keeping the english underclass contained. When the government turns that particular tap off, then there will be absolute mayhem and racial violence guaranteed.
Basically, yes: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36964916
But that doesn't mean every Briton is racist, its just some incidents sensationalised by the media. Human suffering sells :frown:
Original post by Baibastaiy
My heart wants to say, 'absolutely not'. My head says, 'Yes, some people in Britain are extremely racist, some people make racist statements,some people behave in a racist way'.

An article in the Daily Mail earlier this year stated that a third of the people surveyed admitted making comments or being involved in discussions which could be considered racist, 40% made the statement "I'm not a racist, but........." when discussing race issues.

Is Britain a racist nation? One in three Brits 'admits to being racist', according to poll

In my own profession, things are no better. A report in 2001 'Racism in Medicine' published by the King's Fund (a health charity) found that 'discrimination against ethnic minorities entering medicine begins at medical school and lasts until the day they retire from practice'.

Additionally, there was found to be an 'alarming level' of institutional racism in the National Health Service.

Report reveals racism in medical profession

Anecdotally, in our department, I have dealt with patients who have refused to be seen or examined by Medical Staff from different ethnic groups (including those from India), I have intervened when patients have made comments about the staff, or about other patients.

I have called the police when a patient spat into the face of a colleague from India.

The National Health Service itself does not escape attention, a study found that applicants from ethnic minorities found it harder to get a job, were more likely to be bullied and were more likely to have grievances taken out against them.

NHS accused of racism - Telegraph

The statistics make no better adding where education is concerned, between 2007 and 2011, 88,000 racist incidents were recorded. Now, it is obvious that some of these may be due to ignorance (or innocence) of children, but it still makes for grim reading:

Schools saw 87,000 racism cases

A recent article in The Independent found that there was still racism within the UK police force.

Anti-racism smear scandal: Police targeted the sister of black paratrooper who died in custody

An article in the Guardian in April reported that Black and Asian Police Officers in the Metropolitan Police Force still believe that the force is 'institutionally racist', this coming years after the murder of a young, black teenager, is shocking. And distressing.

Metropolitan police still institutionally racist, say black and Asian officers

On a personal level, many of my colleagues are from India and Pakistan. To those of us in the ED family, they are our family, no different to the rest of us.

It saddens me to say that, to many British people, views South Asians are seen to be inferior.


I'm not racist but is not an indicator of racism. It's an indicator of the social stigma surrounding race ie by stating it people are trying to disclaim the suggestion a principle they hold or idea they have is motivated by a prejudice of race which in most cases is impossible to judge unless you are the person saying it - someone saying 'I'm not a criminal' when being arrested doesn't make them a criminal. It is more probable it shows how seriously racism is taken as a point which is prima facie racist would require no such disclaimer, nobody about to espouse the opinion 'all blacks are just thick' would precede that with 'I'm not racist but' because they are fully aware it's racial prejudice. If a point is ambiguous enough to require disclaimers then this tells you nothing about the motivation of the speaker - thus they are using it to try and engage in a good faith conversation, which given the race hypersensitivity in modern culture is absolutely required before any statement about race whatsoever. Also the daily mail is nonsense.

Which poll? Link please. Further incidentally is the qualifier for British the same as government qualifiers ie a British Citizen? I'm guessing yes because there is no disclaimer to the contrary. This post is designed to conclude on racism against a race in Britain but doesn't ask the race of these one in three racists - for example in reality they could all be people of South Asian origin being racist to white people - there is no way to tell without the full data set. I certainly don't believe it prima facie, surveys suffer from the social desirability effect - the chance of 1/3 of people admitting to being racist is literally zero even if that number is true.

Discrimination in the NHS where a disproportionate number of staff are minority, more so when you look at the number of minority doctors, to the point NHS trusts are demanding Brexit be halted lest the NHS collapse? Sounds likely. Also 2001 was quite a while ago - maybe things have moved on? How can you demonstrate those anecdotes are racially motivated? Someone of a different race, clearly suffering from something, called me a racial slur and threatened to punch me but it was because, in all likelihood, they were ill not racist.

Again what study? Where is your evidence? Also its prima facie untrue if minorities are overrepresented in the NHS, particularly in higher paid positions such as doctor incidentally https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service

An accusation without proof is irrelevant.

Using this article 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-18155255' the incidents are recorded as racist if "the situation is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person" - no wonder they're so high if racism can be hoisted as a charge without evidence because somebody feels it.

No link to article, what was its source?

Reports of police smears to protect their own interests from multiple race of victims

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/366866/Andrew-Mitchell-My-agony-over-police-smear

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/10/orgreave-miners-strike-planned-police-attack-evidence-inquiry

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/24/stephen-lawrence-cameron-police-smear-claim

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cop-tore-up-evidence-abused-7019246 (this is the rotherham scandal where the police were so scared of being called racist they didn't prevent the sexual abuse of hundreds of kids - a bit counter to Britain is readily racist).

Black and Asian officers dont 'feel' they get a fair shake If they had evidence they'd be at an employment tribunal. In addition what does the police gain by keeping them down with all the positive 'diversity initiatives' and the social progressives who whinge and complain until a minority is put somewhere high up even if they can't do that job. Perhaps knowing what you're doing in the police is more important than the colour of your skin. Further minorities are by definition a minority - with 87.2% white British in the UK is it surprising that there aren't many minorities heading up much of anything - they're small in number. Especially when you look at how few people have a high IQ percentage wise http://www.bbc.co.uk/testthenation/iq_norms.shtml, those with the skills to be commissioner or whatever of minority ethnicity are such a tiny figure it's really unsurprising they aren't represented.

Not everything is just 'that's racist'.


Edit - source for demographics within the UK http://www.irr.org.uk/research/statistics/ethnicity-and-religion/
(edited 7 years ago)
Reply 215
Original post by Baibastaiy
I am an Indian born in the UK . I am 20 years old now and have fully interacted with English people all my life from the poorest to the richest. And to be honest I can no longer deny to myself that White English people are generally racist against South Asians.

The problem is, is that they keep it really well hidden. They don't ever say racist things but you can just tell in other ways. A South Asian person born in England who acts totally British in their mannerisms and has a British accent can never fit in. If they try hard they are socially accepted by their White English peers but then again they are never popular.

They are more likely going to be rude to a South Asian person than a White, Black or a person of any other race. Next time you go a to a cafe notice how the White English staff are treating the other people compared to you. Even if they aren't being rude they are definitely going to be friendlier to the Black or White person, always.

Seriously I hate to break it to you but English people are racist against South Asians as a whole. They simply don't like us. You can be extremely educated and well presented and they are still going to look down on someone just because they are Asian. Strangely enough a lot of South Asians don't seem to realise this over here in the UK.

I think this is because many keep to themselves and with their own communities and don't hang around or try associating themselves with White English people. I am not generalizing here it's just a fact. It's a shame really because I am totally British in my accent, mindset and so forth but I cannot bear living in a society where I am so looked down upon.

At least in a country like Australia they often admit that they are racist. English people hide it really well. Sometimes I wonder if they don't even realise that they are biased and prejudice against South Asians and that negative stereotypes subconsciously affect their thinking. For example from what I have seen they have no problems with Iranians or Afghans a people who both can often look South Asian. An Afghan Pashtun will not receive prejudice but yet a Pakistani one would, the only difference is that one carries the term 'Pakistani' with them.

It's quite saddening for me on my end because I feel very British in my accent and mindset Etc. But the way people view me here and the way they judge me on my race up to such an extent I just cannot see myself living here for the rest of my life. White English people see South Asians as nothing more than people who make food for them and the negative stereotypes that they perceive us with. I am going to look to move to another country in a few years time and I really hope there is a place which is better for South Asians than the UK. Heck I think even America is.


As I said English people aren't ever going to admit how racist they are because frankly they are a bunch of hypocrites who talk about how racism is so wrong and following Mandela when they themselves are biased and racist. And South Asians live in their own world and don't realise how they are perceived by a White English society. What I find strange is how England is considered one of the most racially tolerant countries in the world. Well not in my eyes it isn't. South Asians may not get spat on and get called derogatory names often. And nor is there any job discrimination. If people don't want to know us on the basis of our race and going to dislike us on the basis of that then is still racist.

White English people don't like South Asians. They aren't going to change any time soon. So I am going to leave.


Quite true, I have a few friends of south Asian heritage, they have told me of their negative experiences. Not just UK, Europe as well. My friend just came back from a business related trip. He was working in Norway and Sweden. In Norway, people were very cold and distant towards him. When he went to a Pub in Oslo,the locals kept giving him dirty looks. In Sweden, the locals kept saying anti Islamic statements to him, even though he is hindu. Some people, are so stupid.
Original post by Baibastaiy
My heart wants to say, 'absolutely not'. My head says, 'Yes, some people in Britain are extremely racist, some people make racist statements,some people behave in a racist way'.

An article in the Daily Mail earlier this year stated that a third of the people surveyed admitted making comments or being involved in discussions which could be considered racist, 40% made the statement "I'm not a racist, but........." when discussing race issues.

Is Britain a racist nation? One in three Brits 'admits to being racist', according to poll

In my own profession, things are no better. A report in 2001 'Racism in Medicine' published by the King's Fund (a health charity) found that 'discrimination against ethnic minorities entering medicine begins at medical school and lasts until the day they retire from practice'.

Additionally, there was found to be an 'alarming level' of institutional racism in the National Health Service.

Report reveals racism in medical profession

Anecdotally, in our department, I have dealt with patients who have refused to be seen or examined by Medical Staff from different ethnic groups (including those from India), I have intervened when patients have made comments about the staff, or about other patients.

I have called the police when a patient spat into the face of a colleague from India.

The National Health Service itself does not escape attention, a study found that applicants from ethnic minorities found it harder to get a job, were more likely to be bullied and were more likely to have grievances taken out against them.

NHS accused of racism - Telegraph

The statistics make no better adding where education is concerned, between 2007 and 2011, 88,000 racist incidents were recorded. Now, it is obvious that some of these may be due to ignorance (or innocence) of children, but it still makes for grim reading:

Schools saw 87,000 racism cases

A recent article in The Independent found that there was still racism within the UK police force.

Anti-racism smear scandal: Police targeted the sister of black paratrooper who died in custody

An article in the Guardian in April reported that Black and Asian Police Officers in the Metropolitan Police Force still believe that the force is 'institutionally racist', this coming years after the murder of a young, black teenager, is shocking. And distressing.

Metropolitan police still institutionally racist, say black and Asian officers

On a personal level, many of my colleagues are from India and Pakistan. To those of us in the ED family, they are our family, no different to the rest of us.

It saddens me to say that, to many British people, views South Asians are seen to be inferior.


Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white
Reply 217
the more they saturate our english neighbourhoods with muslims, the more "racist" we will become. weird how that works out!
Yes
evidence: Tommy Robinson aka the knobhead
No

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