Just saw gow easy it is for good looking guys (someone shoot me now)

You didn't state otherwise

I shouldn't have had to.

I'm sure OP's decade would be made if only an average girl gave him attention. I'm sure OP only just wants a slim average girl but that's unattainable for him since:

He's below average looking
He's ethnic

Actually just being ethnic is enough to destroy any chance he has with girls, even girls of his own race will probably just want white men.

Exactly, lifting makes zero difference BUT

There is a small niche market of women who love muscles, but to please these women you need to be an absolute mass monster on all sort of steroids you can get your hands on. It's not work putting your life in jeopardy for women.

Im a very good looking guy and I find it very hard.

Been told countless times how good looking I am by girls but the difference is you have to be able to ACT on this. Wherever I go women always stare at me, try to get my attention but few try to make a first move because they are intimidated.

If you suck at the rest (being able to flirt/convo/be funny/impressive/nice), after passing the initial 'oh he's hot part' , its still very hard.

In fact its in someways even more annoying than being ugly, that you have so much potential but consistently fail at achieving or utilising it.

In a way I'm much more jealous of guys who are average looking but seem to be far better with girls, they are the ones who get the really special girls.

In a way I'm much more jealous of guys who are average looking but seem to be far better with girls, they are the ones who get the really special girls.

How would you know they are 'average looking' to those girls and not that they're just simply better looking than you are?

Yeh but thye could still have a 3-5 inch penis. Having a big penis is the best, girls like that the most.

True some women think their chap is the best looking in world regardless, but it doesn't mean he is.

Personally when Ive been out with couples when their gf starts flirting with me, staring at me, i constantly catch them looking at me. Thats why I think I'm better looking, or at least good looking enough to draw their attention away from their bf. Happened many times which is very awkward, especially if your really good mates with the dude.

Also you have to be stupid not to recognise if a guy is good, average or below par looks wise. Common sense also...

Fair enough. Why do you have so much trouble talking to women then? Its fairly easy to pick up once you've seen how the average guy does it, especially if you're good looking.

If I really knew I would not be here right now.

I thinks is a combination of confidence and just that I am quite different to many people my age. I live life on my own terms and do not follow the rest so to speak so I do not try to imitate others in how they attract girls. For two reasons, 1 it would be fake, not from the heart and I'm not a fake person trying to score for the sake of it. 2- Most of the girls I have met fit the stereotypical girl, which for me is boring, unoriginal and simply not what I'm into. I guess its down to me being very picky with what I want, but when I *think* I have found someone I usually blow it.

The thing is it is probably easy to get an average girl but deep down I don't want to, I think I'm better than that, Im not after an normal girl, it doesn't do it for me. But there lies the problem, idealisation vs reality, but I'm not gonna give up, it just gets frustrating.

what happened? how did you blow it?

i know so many average guys who pull all the time because of confidence and nothing more. these guys can be fat or just objectively quite ugly. they still get all the girls.

when i see little insecure people such as yourself it just makes me laugh, blaming everyone but yourself is the worst form of cowardice

just do all the girls a favour and go gay. you wont be attracting them any time soon with that pathetic attitude.

"nobody likes me because i think im better than them"

I know an acquaintance of mine and by all objective means he is good looking.

He was showing me on his phone and holy cow Batman, he doesn't even need to be aggressive, he meets women through his friends and just talks about normal everyday things without showing ANY interest whatsoever with a funny comment here and there and he showed how girls are still interested in him sexually.

Yet if this was an average looking guy or worse writing about normal everyday stuff girls would friend zone him or see him as being a nice guy being nice just for the sake of getting into her pants (although there is no proof of this).

FML why am I even living, guys deemed hot have it so easy, they can either be nice guys or be jocks and it doesn't matter , they don't even need to approach and boost egos of women either.

They can be whatever they like and still get women, I am what I am and won't change myself for anyone, especially never for women, and the result is that I don't even get a sympathetic eye contact.

Someone just shoot me and relieve me of this incel hell.

Life, if you are a man, really is all about your face from women to jobs to how much love you receive from your parents.

Honestly Lol at guys on here who make threads asking how you should act in front of women, there's nothing you can act by which will make women attracted to you its literally be in the top 80% of looks or nothing, even average women nowadays are getting approached by make model looking guys so unless you are in the top 80% of men the 'best' you can aspire for is an obese girl even if you are ripped and slim yourself.

case in point: i am not very attractive. i am a girl. my best friend is attractive. she is a girl. she has had many boyfriends who have all been smitten with her, and probably has at least 3 boys in love with her at a time. she cant move for boys who want to go with her.
i have never had any relationship with anyone.
and guess what??
im not complaining!