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Original post by Smash Bandicoot
Have you heard of the UK Science Grrl initiative? It's a neat idea to address this :smile:


Very cool :smile:
Original post by Groot
In general, women appear to have it easier in life compared to men. On the social side, be at least plainly attractive and it's easier to make friends and form relationships than counterpart males. Agree/disagree? Do guys find this unfair or have you accepted that this is just the way it is?


Totally agree and yes it is unfair and difficult to accept this is the way it is, but it is. I would have loved to have been born a woman, even the fat and or ugly ones can get relationships. As a man you have to do all the approach/initiation, conversation and asking out, like nearly all the time I'd not all of the time. You get to be made to feel a weak, flawed or bad person if you do not do this successfully and remain single. You then get to feel inferior if you exist in society as a single male particularly by the advertising industry that seem to want to continuously show happy family scenarios on all their tv advertising despite approximately 50 percent of the country being single.

Socialising is also easier as female, females seem to accept each other more readily as friends and at least on the surface disregard shortcomings of others as if no woman can do no wrong. It's also easier to dress sexy and look good as a woman so long as you've not really pigged out and made yourself obese. Women also tend to have the upper hand in relationships, they can dump a guy and instantly get another one or as good as, a guy may have to go for years or may never get another relationship. In general women get a free pass out of bad situations that men are stuck in or have to fight their way through. Yes I do indeed curse being born a man.
Original post by Groot
In general, women appear to have it easier in life compared to men. On the social side, be at least plainly attractive and it's easier to make friends and form relationships than counterpart males. Agree/disagree? Do guys find this unfair or have you accepted that this is just the way it is?


I disagree

In my experience men find it just as easy to make friends
There are differences in the way male/female friendships operate but I do not see female friendships as better or worse than male friendships
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Original post by TenOfThem
I disagree

In my experience men find it just as easy to make friends
There are differences in the way male/female friendships operate but I do not see female friendships as better or worse than male friendships

Read the post above yours if you haven't. He finds the opposite, in his experience. What do you think of such guys finding it difficult?
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Original post by bittr n swt
Lol if you genuinely think women will have equal pay and will be equally respected to men certainly not in the next 10-15 years...

Society is too structured to change lay beliefs
As long as women keep having babies n other stuff like that I can't see much changing

:cry2:

Go get rekt by feminists.
Original post by Groot
:cry2:

Go get rekt by feminists.


He's trying to be honest. It is the brutal facts unfortunately, anyway feminists are the best people to annoy it's brilliant. xD You'll be like "be quiet girl" and they'll just go crazy being like "oh so we only have to be quiet because we're girls?????!?!?!?!?!", meanwhile, laughing my face off xD
Original post by Groot
Read the post above yours if you haven't. He finds the opposite, in his experience. What do you think of such guys finding it difficult?


I probably have far more experience
Original post by Groot
:cry2:

Go get rekt by feminists.


Go get rekt by society.

Oh wait...
Original post by Groot
In general, women appear to have it easier in life compared to men. On the social side, be at least plainly attractive and it's easier to make friends and form relationships than counterpart males. Agree/disagree? Do guys find this unfair or have you accepted that this is just the way it is?


You've only given one reason that women have it better than men so I've not really got much to work on, but statistically and from personally experience men have it better. On the social side for both genders really as long as you're confident/funny looks don't mean ****. In a way in relationships guys have this better as it seems that a lot of women will place personality and actually getting on with the person above looks.
Original post by Dalek1099
The fact that women aren't in high positions like CEOs and get much less pay is because they decide to not work or work less hours and don't decide to pursue degrees in STEM subjects etc.There are several equality laws that ensure that women get just the same employment opportunities as men, providing they are as able to do the job.If an employer discriminates against females they are breaking the law so therefore there are no barriers to females getting employment in high roles like CEOs.

The reason they don't is because they aren't interested in jobs like that, this can be shown by low percentages of women studying sciences needed to get into top roles.I remember that a survey suggested that women seem more interested in getting an enjoyable career than a high paying top position compared to men.


Original post by Dandaman1
*On average, mostly due to their choices.

C'mon, this has been explained numerous times already. Even labour unions and some high-profile feminists aren't using this misleading factoid anymore.



Saying that this is what women want doesn't make it true. I've not seen any evidence that this is the case. In the case of STEM, for instance, evidence clearly shows that girls in single-sex schools are much more likely to study Mathematics and Physics than girls in mixed schools, which can only be explained by the fact that there isn't as much pressure to conform to gender stereotypes. Now I'm certainly not an advocate of single-sex schools but I think it's pretty difficult to argue that women are perfectly happy with the way things are.
Original post by Viceroy
I'm not sure -- I think there is definitely discouragement (or at least lack of encouragement) at an early age thru the end of school. There are so many more boys than girls in upper level STEM courses in school (prior to/during uni), and I definitely grew up with the impression that boys were just innately better than girls at those subjects; there are certainly far more male scientists on TV shows and the like. Of course this impression isn't true, but the it was there and I think it impacts girls' confidence in those subjects and willingness to pursue careers in those subjects later.


No disrespect but you're a bloke, I'm not sure how you felt about women in science has anything to do with how women feel. A lot of guys think men make better drivers but I doubt women would agree, for example. I don't know any girls who thought they were inherently bad at STEM, in fact many did take those subjects at A Level. The ones that decided not to do it at uni discovered they didn't like it enough.
Original post by Stewie2011
Totally agree and yes it is unfair and difficult to accept this is the way it is, but it is. I would have loved to have been born a woman, even the fat and or ugly ones can get relationships. As a man you have to do all the approach/initiation, conversation and asking out, like nearly all the time I'd not all of the time. You get to be made to feel a weak, flawed or bad person if you do not do this successfully and remain single. You then get to feel inferior if you exist in society as a single male particularly by the advertising industry that seem to want to continuously show happy family scenarios on all their tv advertising despite approximately 50 percent of the country being single.

Socialising is also easier as female, females seem to accept each other more readily as friends and at least on the surface disregard shortcomings of others as if no woman can do no wrong. It's also easier to dress sexy and look good as a woman so long as you've not really pigged out and made yourself obese. Women also tend to have the upper hand in relationships, they can dump a guy and instantly get another one or as good as, a guy may have to go for years or may never get another relationship. In general women get a free pass out of bad situations that men are stuck in or have to fight their way through. Yes I do indeed curse being born a man.


You have a very warped view of reality.
Original post by Smash Bandicoot
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aye



Then you get the rare occurence of a man socialising himself like a socially awkward/'ugly' woman despite his parents' efforts , who still has to put up with the 'be a man my son' s***

and the socially awkward distinctively average looking feminine-minded NASG bi-curious man with the same preoccupation with his body as a woman because of his repressed attraction to the homo

similar to how 'tomboys' struggled in the 70s and 80s

Hooboy it gets complex...


Guys don't support each other emotionally and you have to sometimes have a thick skin to withstand some of the 'banter'. But I'd much sooner live with a group of guys than girls because they seem to be much more laid back.
Original post by bittr n swt
Men and women have it easy in different things in life

Eg men seem to be more respected, more pay
, not looked down on, can **** girls without being called a slut...

Women have it easy because they get sex when they want whereas men get it when they can.

Erm, this makes no sense at all. No-one pays men more than women. We don't have gender rates for jobs. If we did, then businesses would just employ women because they'd be cheaper.
Original post by Snagprophet
Erm, this makes no sense at all. No-one pays men more than women. We don't have gender rates for jobs. If we did, then businesses would just employ women because they'd be cheaper.

Men have higher salary than women in the same field
Original post by bittr n swt
Men have higher salary than women in the same field


Where?
Original post by Groot
In general, women appear to have it easier in life compared to men. On the social side, be at least plainly attractive and it's easier to make friends and form relationships than counterpart males. Agree/disagree? Do guys find this unfair or have you accepted that this is just the way it is?


Never met anyone who bases their friendships on who looks good, and if people like that exist then I don't want to be friends with them.

As for dating, yes it is substantially easier for women at our age to kiss people, have casual sex and find a relationship. However give it ten years and men have the advantage. A lot of the qualities that make a male attractive get better with age, whereas women probably peak in their early 20s.

Plus there are obviously other issues which are being discussed. I wouldn't say i'm disadvantaged being male. The main thing that I envy is that girls seem to form much closer friendships, don't think it's a coincidence that all of my closest friends are girls.
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Original post by sr90
Never met anyone who bases their friendships on who looks good, and if people like that exist then I don't want to be friends with them.

As the above poster mentioned. Also, appearances are powerful, whether we like it or not, and plays a significant role in our world.
Original post by Chlorophile
Saying that this is what women want doesn't make it true. I've not seen any evidence that this is the case. In the case of STEM, for instance, evidence clearly shows that girls in single-sex schools are much more likely to study Mathematics and Physics than girls in mixed schools, which can only be explained by the fact that there isn't as much pressure to conform to gender stereotypes. Now I'm certainly not an advocate of single-sex schools but I think it's pretty difficult to argue that women are perfectly happy with the way things are.


What matters is that women have the same freedom to make the choice to earn as much as men do. And they do. The pay gap (14% per paid hour, full time) exists only for married women/women with children. Unmarried women/women without children earn approximately the same salary as men do (according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2013). Women tend to take time out from work or choose less work-intensive jobs to focus on family, and men will work more hours and take more intensive jobs to support their families (married men with children earn more on average than unmarried, childless men in their age group). Furthermore, why should personal earnings and work hours be what determines one's happiness? Have you considered that the women making these choices are in fact perfectly happy -- or even happier -- in doing so?

Interestingly, in countries such as Sweden and Norway, where gender equality and gender-neutral education are heralded, there is still a pay gap of equivalent size (for similar reasons).

EDIT: "...evidence clearly shows that girls in single-sex schools are much more likely to study Mathematics and Physics than girls in mixed schools, which can only be explained by the fact that there isn't as much pressure to conform to gender stereotypes." Or because there aren't any boys taking up seats. They've gotta fill those classes somehow.
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Original post by Nomes89
A lot of guys think men make better drivers but I doubt women would agree, for example.


My driving instructor was female. Worked out fine.

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