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Russia's military going into 2015

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Original post by Fullofsurprises
They have at least $400bn in reserves (the reserves they officially acknowledge - experts say they are probably much bigger in reality) and Putin has already said he won't be spending them propping up the Rouble (after all, that would involve being nice to his own people and not allowing their living standards to plummet :lol:), so it's reasonable to assume that much of this is ring fenced for arms spending.

Putin appears to be fully committed to a modern Russian Empire with a bizarre ideology based on ridiculously rich plutocratic oligarchs who mainly operate outside the country, manufactured fake-hate of the West whilst most of its oligarchical rulers prefer London and a 100% total disinterest in the sort of serious internal growth and economic development programmes that a country would undertake if it cared about its people.

Against this background, it's reasonable to be nervous that the former KGB stooge has a plan to intimidate us with renewed armed might. That nicely coincides with the wishes of NATO and western arms industries to renew the cold war. How happy the ruling groups must be with the way things are developing! Putin is the darling of the military industrial complex in both hemispheres.


Have you ever met Mr Putin? He's very nice when you get to know him.
Yeah it's improving, but very slowly. It's nowhere near the level of comparativeness it was during the cold war, where arguably it was far ahead of the west.

It's still highly reliant on milita, conscripts and outdated cold war tech. Sure it has some awesome military hardware and has some (if not 'the') best tanks in the world, but the actually amount of troops with the up to date tech is rather small.

It's also for a rather long time been drastically outspent and outnumbered by Nato these days.

Also while they're no longer trying to spread global communism (Russia itself is still communist/socialist), it's more trying to maintain/reclaim it's superpower status of the cold war. It's also facing itself with all it's old soviet block countries joining the 'west' and by extension NATO.

As such they're now playing the ethnic card in eastern Europe, which ironically created by Stalinist era death marches and ethnic migration, precisely incase this kind of thing happened. Just look at crimea, the result of stalins ethnic cleanising, before he came along only around 10-20% of the population there was russian.
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Original post by Thomas2
Have you ever met Mr Putin? He's very nice when you get to know him.


No, but I'm sure he's lovely. :teehee: He likes wrestling bears, going around naked, Communist East Germany and Judo. What's not to like? :confused:
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Original post by Subedei
Hitlers irrationality and irrational orders resulted in disasters like Kursk and Stalingrad, and in the end, the ruin and fall of Germany.

weren't the plans to hold stalingrad mostly reliant on supplies and goring claimed that the luftwaffe had the capability to supply the army? do you not think stalingrad could have been held with adequate supplies?
Original post by tibis
weren't the plans to hold stalingrad mostly reliant on supplies and goring claimed that the luftwaffe had the capability to supply the army? do you not think stalingrad could have been held with adequate supplies?


The Luftwaffe had achieved the same feat in the Demyansk pocket.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demyansk_Pocket

As a side note though, resupply by air if 1.1million was a non starter.
Original post by tibis
weren't the plans to hold stalingrad mostly reliant on supplies and goring claimed that the luftwaffe had the capability to supply the army? do you not think stalingrad could have been held with adequate supplies?


Personally I think that it was another of Hitler's poor decisions that led German forces to concentrated on Stalingrad in the first place. Moscow was the centre of gravity as far as the Soviet Union was concerned, all railways led to Moscow, if that had been captured before winter, which was entirely possible, then Russia would have been knocked out of the war. As it was, the Germans were held at Stalingrad and an entire Army destroyed because Hitler refused to let them retreat and draw the enemy into one of Mansteins traps. While holding the Germans the Soviets used their railway network to, not only ferry troops and materiel to the northern flanks of the Germans, but also to dismantle and ship entire factories to the safety of the Russian interior.
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Please stay on topic, if you wish to discuss the Second world war then make another thread in the correct forum section.
Original post by Subedei
Personally I think that it was another of Hitler's poor decisions that led German forces to concentrated on Stalingrad in the first place. Moscow was the centre of gravity as far as the Soviet Union was concerned, all railways led to Moscow, if that had been captured before winter, which was entirely possible, then Russia would have been knocked out of the war. As it was, the Germans were held at Stalingrad and an entire Army destroyed because Hitler refused to let them retreat and draw the enemy into one of Mansteins traps. While holding the Germans the Soviets used their railway network to, not only ferry troops and materiel to the northern flanks of the Germans, but also to dismantle and ship entire factories to the safety of the Russian interior.


Stalingrad was symbolic because it was named after the leader of the Soviet Union.

Had the roles been reversed, Stalin would've thrown everything he had at hitler burg

The Germans made many mistakes on the eastern front, but there biggest was believing that blitzkrieg tactics would overcome the expanse of the Russian steps and they also forgot about the rasputitsa.


anyway, Russia's been earning recently, even with the fall of the rouble, they've overcome any big expense with an army with is the wage bill by having conscription.
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Original post by MatureStudent36
Stalingrad was symbolic because it was named after the leader of the Soviet Union.

Had the roles been reversed, Stalin would've thrown everything he had at hitler burg


This just proves my point that both men were delusional egomaniacs who believed they were better schooled in war than their Generals. Stalin actually executed most of his generals who had turned the Soviet Military into something dynamic and innovative. Soviet Deep battle strategy is incredible and draws from a vast wealth of military knowledge and history.

Hitler did not push South East because of a city named Stalingrad, he did it because of the oil reserves in the Caucus, he believed if he captured these oil fields he could fuel his own war effort and starve the soviets. He could not however comprehend the vital importance of Moscow as a centre of gravity.

The Germans made many mistakes on the eastern front, but there biggest was believing that blitzkrieg tactics would overcome the expanse of the Russian steps


Are you kidding me? Blitzkreig was made for the vast Russian Steppes, it was derived from the vast Russian steppes. The Mongols were fighting using blitzkreig tactics centuries beforehand. In fact blitzkreig tactics led to absolutely ridiculous encirclements of Soviet formations, the motorised and armoured divisions racing around the flanks, cutting off the head of the Soviet Armies whilst the infantry divisions cut off the fighting men, who, without their command or logistical infrastructure had no choice but to surrender. During Operation Barbarossa more than 650,000 Soviet troops were captured.... were captured not killed. Do you know how astonishing that feat of arms is considering that just a few decades before warfare was an attritional slaughterhouse of trenches and artillery.

Barbarossa was always a race against the Russian Winter, Hitler had two choices before it set in. Capture Moscow and the centre of gravity for Soviet communications, or capture the Caucas oil fields. Hitler chose the latter and thus made a strategic error which cost the Germans dearly. He could have salvaged it if he had listened to Mainstein and conducted a strategic retreat and re-group but, like I said he was a stubborn egomaniac.
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Original post by Fullofsurprises
No, but I'm sure he's lovely. :teehee: He likes wrestling bears, going around naked, Communist East Germany and Judo. What's not to like? :confused:


Exactly. The sort of person you might take to meet your Grandma!

Just like Tariq Aziz! Splendid chap. His wife cooked Tony Benn a meal...
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Original post by Thomas2
Exactly. The sort of person you might take to meet your Grandma!

Just like Tariq Aziz! Splendid chap. His wife cooked Tony Benn a meal...


I don't think I would take him to meet my Grandma. He would be cheeky and probably not very good company, all those lectures about why Crimea is rightfully Russian and how the saddest day in human history was the collapse of the glorious Soviet Union.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30587924

Ukraine has voted to drop non-aligned status.
Original post by Rakas21
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30587924

Ukraine has voted to drop non-aligned status.


Good luck to them, however if they think E.Ukraine or even Crimea (which they keep claiming as theirs) will be part of NATO one day, they're in for a surprise.
Besides NATO has much higher military standards which Ukraine's military is no where near meeting. They would need to put in a lot of money (which they don't have due to being essentially bankrupt) so The US will probably fund their entry into NATO.
Original post by Lionheart96
Good luck to them, however if they think E.Ukraine or even Crimea (which they keep claiming as theirs) will be part of NATO one day, they're in for a surprise.
Besides NATO has much higher military standards which Ukraine's military is no where near meeting. They would need to put in a lot of money (which they don't have due to being essentially bankrupt) so The US will probably fund their entry into NATO.


The gains from Ukraine come well into the future, were it not for Russia wanting them in the Customs Union then there'd have been no rush at all since it's a poor country. But i agree with you, the important thing is that they join.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
I don't think I would take him to meet my Grandma. He would be cheeky and probably not very good company, all those lectures about why Crimea is rightfully Russian and how the saddest day in human history was the collapse of the glorious Soviet Union.



Well I won't bore you with why Kaliningrad is rightfully German... or why Hong Kong is rightfully British...

I thought he wants to rebuild the Russian Empire rather than the Soviet one.
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Original post by Thomas2
Well I won't bore you with why Kaliningrad is rightfully German... or why Hong Kong is rightfully British...

I thought he wants to rebuild the Russian Empire rather than the Soviet one.


Allegedly he has told friends in the past that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the cause of all current problems. Clearly he has morphed into a sort of latter-day Tsar but without the fashionable moustache, haemophiliac relatives and European wife. :lol:
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Original post by Fullofsurprises
Allegedly he has told friends in the past that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the cause of all current problems. Clearly he has morphed into a sort of latter-day Tsar but without the fashionable moustache, haemophiliac relatives and European wife. :lol:


Is his wife from Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica or America?
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Original post by Maker
Is his wife from Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica or America?


Ha, yeah, I think I meant 'Franco-German'. :blush:
Original post by Fullofsurprises
Allegedly he has told friends in the past that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the cause of all current problems. Clearly he has morphed into a sort of latter-day Tsar but without the fashionable moustache, haemophiliac relatives and European wife. :lol:


He just needs to hijack air force one and start ranting about the west being trampled under the boots of Mother Russia.
Original post by Thomas2
He just needs to hijack air force one and start ranting about the west being trampled under the boots of Mother Russia.


I think it would be better if he stole a nuclear sub and chased Jack Ryan around the Pacific.

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