The united states isn&#x27;t a democracy

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Original post by felamaslen

Which democracies would have survived the 20th century without the US' help? Very few, if any.

Your confusing democracy with capitalism, they are two very different things

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thunder_chunky

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Original post by felamaslen

The United States is the reason we have democracy in the world.

America, **** yeah!!.....

Original post by felamaslen

Meanwhile, outside your bubble of ignorant anti-Americanism, if it weren't for the US you would be living in a fascist or communist state right now. But don't worry, you'll thank them one day when you're old and have more time to reflect on the freedom the American world has given you.

Us yuro-pee-ans would be speaking German or Russian if it weren't for them.

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Original post by felamaslen

Meanwhile, outside your bubble of ignorant anti-Americanism, if it weren't for the US you would be living in a fascist or communist state right now. But don't worry, you'll thank them one day when you're old and have more time to reflect on the freedom the American world has given you.

I'm not anti anything(though the US tend to mix into situations that are NONE of their business btw).
What do you have to say about the fact that people in the US(if they aren't loaded) can barely afford a proper education because there aren't state institution with quality or that if you don't pay a hell of a lot money for your health insurance, you might as well need to sell a kidney when you need a X-ray? Not to mention that so many people live in debts that will be passed to their grandchildren, which they find perfectly normal.

England was never communist. Neither were the most of the western countries. the UK, even as a monarchy, is a free country and has a healthy capitalism.

And btw, we escaped Communism because of Gorbachiov not the US. Had he not agreed to end the communist era, we'd still be in it right now.

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Original post by SiminaM

I'm not anti anything(though the US tend to mix into situations that are NONE of their business btw).
What do you have to say about the fact that people in the US(if they aren't loaded) can barely afford a proper education because there aren't state institution with quality or that if you don't pay a hell of a lot money for your health insurance, you might as well need to sell a kidney when you need a X-ray? Not to mention that so many people live in debts that will be passed to their grandchildren, which they find perfectly normal.

England was never communist. Neither were the most of the western countries. the UK, even as a monarchy, is a free country and has a healthy capitalism.

And btw, we escaped Communism because of Gorbachiov not the US. Had he not agreed to end the communist era, we'd still be in it right now.

even capitalism here in the UK is being corrupted by the US, look at the recent TTIP for example.

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Original post by Lionheart96

even capitalism here in the UK is being corrupted by the US, look at the recent TTIP for example.

LOL the US are trying to corrupt the whole world(and steal it, why do you think they actually engaged in so many wars in Africa).
'Globalisation' being the official term.
UK has my respect, in my opinion they have the best system right now: the Royal House doesn't have much say in anything but they scare politicians and bring the masses together as a nation :wink:

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Original post by Lionheart96

No thats a stupid conspiracy made up during the cold war by the US in a effort to promote capitalism (countries like italy were attempting to elect a more socialist government at the time) in europe and scare idiots like you who still believe this crap.

"The problem with the middle east is that it doesn't believe in freedom! If it did, the US wouldn't bomb it!" omg you can't be serious right?

Does the US bomb Western Europe? No. Western Europe believes in freedom. Does the US bomb Japan? No. Japan believes in freedom.

Have you ever heard of the Soviet Union?

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Original post by SiminaM

I'm not anti anything(though the US tend to mix into situations that are NONE of their business btw).
What do you have to say about the fact that people in the US(if they aren't loaded) can barely afford a proper education because there aren't state institution with quality or that if you don't pay a hell of a lot money for your health insurance, you might as well need to sell a kidney when you need a X-ray? Not to mention that so many people live in debts that will be passed to their grandchildren, which they find perfectly normal.

England was never communist. Neither were the most of the western countries. the UK, even as a monarchy, is a free country and has a healthy capitalism.

And btw, we escaped Communism because of Gorbachiov not the US. Had he not agreed to end the communist era, we'd still be in it right now.

I never said that the US was a perfect country, only that it is the country to which we all owe our freedom.

The UK would have become either fascist or communist if it weren't for the US.

Had Reagan not forced Gorbachev to end Communism, Communism would have continued. (Remember that during the time of détente in the 60s-70s, the USSR reached its peak.) Had FDR and Churchill not forced Stalin to stop at the iron curtain, the entirety of Europe would be communist.

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Original post by thunder_chunky

America, **** yeah!!.....

Us yuro-pee-ans would be speaking German or Russian if it weren't for them.

Don't much care about the language we speak. Germans are free thanks to the US, but they still speak German.

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Original post by Lionheart96

Your confusing democracy with capitalism, they are two very different things

True, but they walk hand in hand.

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Original post by felamaslen

I never said that the US was a perfect country, only that it is the country to which we all owe our freedom.

The UK would have become either fascist or communist if it weren't for the US.

Had Reagan not forced Gorbachev to end Communism, Communism would have continued. Had FDR and Churchill not forced Stalin to stop at the iron curtain, the entirety of Europe would be communist.

Ok seriously think what you may. But come on dude, Reagen forced Gorbachiov?
Don't. Just don't.

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Original post by felamaslen

Does the US bomb Western Europe? No. Western Europe believes in freedom. Does the US bomb Japan? No. Japan believes in freedom.

Have you ever heard of the Soviet Union?

Yes the US dropped two atomic bomb on Japan FOR NO REASON.
You are either trolling or are a complete idiot.

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Original post by felamaslen

True, but they walk hand in hand.

Not they're not they are polar opposites.

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Original post by felamaslen

If it were not for the US, Britain would have lost the second world war. The Soviets would have occupied all of Europe, with Japan continuing its reign of terror in Asia, and it would have been like East Germany or North Korea everywhere. The Soviet Empire would now be the world's only superpower, and Earth would be coloured red. Red with Communism and the blood of its innocent victims.

Oh my God, fear the real enemy Japan! I actually laughed at this :eek:

Poor guys, the nature is really unforgiving with them already, they didn't need the US bombing them.
For your knowledge, Japan was the most efficient country to change it's political status after 1854. In a few decades it developed as much as european countries did in centuries.
If the US cared so much about eradicating communism in Germany, why did they agree to the splitting in two of the country and in FOUR of the capital, just as long as they got a piece of it(after they won the WWII in which they were ALLIES with Russia - quite quick they changed their views)?
North Korea and China are as communist as they've ever been. You don't see them trying to rule the world(only economically but if you think about they're populations it's not that hard to comprehend) and spill innocent blood.

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Blazar

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Original post by felamaslen

If it were not for the US, Britain would have lost the second world war. The Soviets would have occupied all of Europe, with Japan continuing its reign of terror in Asia, and it would have been like East Germany or North Korea everywhere. The Soviet Empire would now be the world's only superpower, and Earth would be coloured red. Red with Communism and the blood of its innocent victims.

Er, nooooope.

The Americans jumped into WWII at the last minute and emerged with much more credit than they deserved. No disrespect to the individual soldiers, but as a nation, America has always received more praise than it was due for its intervention.

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Blazar

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Original post by felamaslen

Meanwhile, outside your bubble of ignorant anti-Americanism, if it weren't for the US you would be living in a fascist or communist state right now. But don't worry, you'll thank them one day when you're old and have more time to reflect on the freedom the American world has given you.

Ah, the freedom to be murdered by the police for being black...

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Original post by SiminaM

Ok seriously think what you may. But come on dude, Reagen forced Gorbachiov?
Don't. Just don't.

The USSR had no intention of destroying itself until Reagan took an abrasive line against it. NATO and the US held back Communism at the iron curtain for forty years, then destroyed it altogether in Europe.

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Original post by Lionheart96

Yes the US dropped two atomic bomb on Japan FOR NO REASON.
You are either trolling or are a complete idiot.

You believe that the Japanese empire believed in freedom? This is the same empire which colonised and brutalised much of East Asia. The same empire which engaged in biological warfare and mass torture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731. The same empire which buried Chinese civilians alive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre.

Japan today believes in freedom, which is why the US doesn't bomb it.

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Original post by felamaslen

The USSR had no intention of destroying itself until Reagan took an abrasive line against it. NATO and the US held back Communism at the iron curtain for forty years, then destroyed it altogether in Europe.

Churchill held communism back and NATO(not only the US, they began to get involved in the middle of WWII when the winner side was already known) actioned to end it. To imply that Reagan forced Gorbachiov to do something is ridiculous. Look at all the measures taken against Russia this year, do they look like they actually care? For all we know, they could cut off the oil and gases to Europe right now in the winter and say oops we had a glitch. Would US suffer? No, they have loads of them from Africa to spare. But they will engage in marvelous discussions to show us how much they support Europe.(note the sarcasm)
Again, if the US cared so much, why did they agree(as a winning ally) with the splitting of Berlin(as long as they got their own piece of course)

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