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Economics at Essex, Hull or Swansea? Best route into Investment Banking?

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Original post by Deadlift
True, I see what you're saying. I think it's just laziness on my part. Finger needs to get pulled out to get the best possible grades.

Do you know much about hedge funds? Etc etc


Don't think about hedge funds. They're even more competitive than IB. Most people go to hedge funds via a few years experience at an IB.

Also, in IB, the hours are extraordinarily long (70 hours plus on average a week) so you need to get use to working very hard for things.

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Original post by midgemeister7
Are you sure you would even like IB if you got there? Do you feel you could actually handle 70-100 hour working weeks?


Aye, I actually do. I need to pull my finger out, concentrate on studies and work to my best possible ability and revise well in advance.

I like the role of an investment banker.
The travelling also interests me :smile:
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Original post by will2348
Don't think about hedge funds. They're even more competitive than IB. Most people go to hedge funds via a few years experience at an IB.

Also, in IB, the hours are extraordinarily long (70 hours plus on average a week) so you need to get use to working very hard for things.

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Agreed.
Original post by Deadlift
Aye, I actually do. I need to pull my finger out, concentrate on studies and work to my best possible ability and revise well in advance.

I like the role of an investment banker.
The travelling also interests me :smile:


Haha fair enough. I just don't understand how working 100+ hours a week, having no life and having frequent all-nighters at an office can appeal to anyone but there you go :wink:
Reply 44
Original post by will2348
I agree your current profile regardless of anything else will be an instant bin.

One thing you could do however is go into Corporate Finance at Big 4 or some other related role (which will actually still be quite difficult) for a few years and then try and transfer to an IB as an experienced hire where they will be more likely to overlook your undergraduate uni and A Level grades. Aim for Big 4.

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What relevant roles at the big 4, and which of the big four would you recommend to go to for an increased chance into investment banking and hedgefunds?
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Original post by midgemeister7
Haha fair enough. I just don't understand how working 100+ hours a week, having no life and having frequent all-nighters at an office can appeal to anyone but there you go :wink:


The money? :P

Doesn't the money, the professionalism and a sense of achievement interest all? :wink:
Original post by Deadlift
What relevant roles at the big 4, and which of the big four would you recommend to go to for an increased chance into investment banking and hedgefunds?


Personally, I'd go for any Corporate Finance type role at any Big 4 firm but it depends what you like doing. If you like trading, you might hate Big 4 Corporate Finance.

Do you know what specific division within IB you even want to enter?

If you like travelling, take a look into consulting - you could be able to get into some second tier or third tier firms but again, it will be a struggle but realistic.

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Original post by Deadlift
The money? :P

Doesn't the money, the professionalism and a sense of achievement interest all? :wink:


Nah I don't believe the hype - it's not the only professional way to make a lot of money and the pay per hour hardly works out fantastic considering you don't have time to do much at all outside of work anyway with the money
Original post by midgemeister7
Nah I don't believe the hype - it's not the only professional way to make a lot of money and the pay per hour hardly works out fantastic considering you don't have time to do much at all outside of work anyway with the money


I would agree IB is not worth it in an of itself for the money alone; however, for the increase in your long-term earning potential when you leave, it is probably worth it.

Also, people think IB salaries look great forgetting that a horrendous amount of that goes in tax, national insurance and rent. You really are left with nothing like the headline figure - you won't be living the luxury life you'd expect.

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Original post by will2348
I would agree IB is not worth it in an of itself for the money alone; however, for the increase in your long-term earning potential when you leave, it is probably worth it.

Also, people think IB salaries look great forgetting that a horrendous amount of that goes in tax, national insurance and rent. You really are left with nothing like the headline figure - you won't be living the luxury life you'd expect.

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I agree. If the average analyst would work for 80 hours a week, 48 weeks a year, he/she will work 3840 hours in a year. Considering average salary for an analyst is around £40-45k pa, that works out as not much more than £10 an hour before tax etc has even been deducted. For me anyway, that's not enough to sacrifice my entire social life... plus I wouldn't have time to spend my money anyway
Original post by Noble.
lol I have A*A*A*Aa at A-Level, study maths at Oxford, beat 10 PhD students to get a very well paid summer job as a statistical/quantitative analyst the summer just gone and had three jobs prior to that, and I haven't managed to get a summer internship (yet). What makes you think you'll stand a chance?


Basically this person is saying it's a very very vicious circle. If you don't meet the A level filter you won't get in. If you do ..it's still a big mission for people with triple A*s and who do meet the requirements

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Original post by midgemeister7
Haha fair enough. I just don't understand how working 100+ hours a week, having no life and having frequent all-nighters at an office can appeal to anyone but there you go :wink:


£40k graduate starting salary. .after a few year £70k and maybe5-7 years- £100-150k plus £2.35 million bonus

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Please don't listen to people on here. TSR students specialise in giving authoritative advice on Investment Banking and other competitive careers despite having no credibility to do so.

Firstly the best thing to do is speak to people who have experience in the industry. It's going to be a grind to get your foot in the door however you're going to have to make the effort to apply to access schemes and work placements. This is an extremely competitive proffesion and you're going to have to define your motivations for wanting to go into IBD.

There's no significant difference in the Universities that you've applied to. Go where A) you'd be most comfortable and B) where there are contacts as you mentioned.

If you get a 1st in Econ from one of those Universities you will have a very good chance of gaining an interview and progressing from there.
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Original post by 105263
Please don't listen to people on here. TSR students specialise in giving authoritative advice on Investment Banking and other competitive careers despite having no credibility to do so.

Firstly the best thing to do is speak to people who have experience in the industry. It's going to be a grind to get your foot in the door however you're going to have to make the effort to apply to access schemes and work placements. This is an extremely competitive proffesion and you're going to have to define your motivations for wanting to go into IBD.

There's no significant difference in the Universities that you've applied to. Go where A) you'd be most comfortable and B) where there are contacts as you mentioned.

If you get a 1st in Econ from one of those Universities you will have a very good chance of gaining an interview and progressing from there.


Thank you for giving me information from a different perspective. :smile:
Original post by fudgecake22
£40k graduate starting salary. .after a few year £70k and maybe5-7 years- £100-150k plus £2.35 million bonus

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No. Just, no.

You won't be seeing any million pound bonuses until you have been an MD for a while.. Considering it takes 15-18 years to get to MD, there is no guarantee that you'll even stick around that long due to burnout etc.

Here's the rough (very rough!) career ladder:
3 years as an Analyst (most people leave here)
3-4 years as an Associate (large batch leave)
3-5 years as a VP (fewer leave)
3-6 years as a Director
Finally become an MD

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you don't stand a chance in hell of getting into IB

Your grades aren't good enough, the subjects aren't strong enough imo (bar physics) and the universities aren't good enough to really get you noticed. The banks will target the top universities of which the three you listed just aren't

IB is unbelievably, unbelievably competitive. Hundreds upon hundreds of grads from the top universities with 3As+ at A level will be applying for only a few jobs.. ABB max from the three unis you listed just doesn't compare in the slightest

nice optimism though, if a little misplaced
Original post by Princepieman
No. Just, no.

You won't be seeing any million pound bonuses until you have been an MD for a while.. Considering it takes 15-18 years to get to MD, there is no guarantee that you'll even stick around that long due to burnout etc.

Here's the rough (very rough!) career ladder:
3 years as an Analyst (most people leave here)
3-4 years as an Associate (large batch leave)
3-5 years as a VP (fewer leave)
3-6 years as a Director
Finally become an MD

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Okay lord...

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Original post by fudgecake22
£40k graduate starting salary. .after a few year £70k and maybe5-7 years- £100-150k plus £2.35 million bonus

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lmao

good luck with that
Original post by stirkee
lmao

good luck with that


I'm going to marry someone who is :smile:

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delusional females in this thread...

Essex to op, you will not get an interview with a 1st, your degree class means f all as long as 2.1. if you are a president of a society on campus and have three to four proper ecs along with good previous work expo to put on cv, then chances rise.

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