Original post by CarlNorthWestI know no one who has been affected by the Arab slave trade nor do I live in a country that has been shaped and continues to be shaped by that trade. That is quite untrue about the Atlantic slave trade.
The central impact of the African Transatlantic Slave trade you nonchalantly brush aside is the legacy. And it’s that legacy that connects us and everyone else posting in this forum today and will continue until the day it’s resolved or addressed.
You cannot (and here is the challenge if you are up for it) point to any other form of slavery (present, past or pre-historic) that has had such an immense and global impact on this planet than the African Holocaust
The outcome of that operation is the crucial factor which in terms of scale and magnitude has gone unsurpassed and has had a profound effect on millions worldwide. Not just because of slavery, that was just the starting point. But because white supremacy would not allow themselves to see blacks as humans and it carried on long after the slave trade was abolished.
Although the slave trade was abolished, slavery was not. So whites who wanted to do the cool thing at the time and be progressive said ” Sure, we’ll stop bringing slaves over from Africa, but I’ll be damned if I give up the ones raising my children and tending my land.”
Your argument is the same as me killing your mother and then me turning around and saying “Hey !! What’s the big deal ? Many men have killed women. What about the yorskshire ripper ?” It amazes me that you would waste more than two seconds trying to excuse something so clearly evil, like the slave trade.
When white people do something bad like slavery or colonialism
To you
History does not matter now. After all the people who did it are not around
But
When white people do something good. Like a positive invention
History matter now. Even though the people who did it are not around
How convenient
Many whites want to claim and take pride in the good things from their past – inventions made, battles won, rights fought for, etc – but then act as if the bad things have nothing to do with them – like slavery, genocide and rights not fought for. But you cannot have it both ways.
Well, this is how both racism and the class system have been maintained, by playing off whites against people of color. In the 1700s, this meant placing poor whites on slave patrols among other things, so as to make them, at least partially, members of the same team as the elite. When people are poor, a little boost is sometimes all it takes. White privilege has been that boost.
In fact, ironically, white privilege matters more to the poor than the rich. When one is rich, after all, one has enough money to stay warm and buy security. But when one is poor and white, skin is all one has left, and it takes on larger-than-life meaning.
As an idea anyone can be racist but at the systemic level, people of color can be racist in theory, but typically not in practice, and certainly not very effectively.
Although a person of color in an authority position can discriminate against a white person, this kind of thing rarely happens because,
A) Such persons are still statistically rare relative to whites in authority,
B) In virtually all cases, there are authorities above those people of color who are white, and who would not stand for such actions
C) Even in cases where a person of color sits atop a power structure (as with President Obama), he is not truly free to do anything to oppress or marginalize white people (even were he so inclined), given his own need to attract white support in order to win election or pass any of his policy agenda.
There are no institutional structures in the U.K. in which people of color exercise final and controlling authority: not in the school systems, labour market, justice system, housing markets, financial markets, or media. As such, the ability of black and brown folks to oppress white people simply does not exist.
Having said that, it is certainly true that in other countries, people of color could have power sufficient to discriminate against others, including whites. Although even anti-white bias in the like Nigeria, Japan, India is somewhat limited by the reality of global economics and the desire for good relations with the West, but it is possible for persons of color in those places to mistreat whites individually and, occasionally.
But it is absurd to believe that anti-white racism, practiced by people of color, remotely equates as a social problem to white racism against people of color..
People come to white countries not because white people are so loving and kind and fair and just and wonderful and tra-la-la but because work there pays way better.
Poverty is a worse evil than racism. It especially seems that way when you have experienced poverty but have yet to experience racism.
But just because poverty is worse than racism that does not make racism a “trivial” concern.
So ‘some’ Non-Whites are richer in white countries not because whites have been kinder to them, they are richer in white countries because white countries are richer.
The pie is so big in 'some' majority white countries that even when it is divided unjustly, as it is, it still leaves most people with more pie than any ordinary person would get in some majority non-white countries.
But the worst thing about this argument is that it is such a huge lie.
Whites pretty much let non-whites (especially blacks) twist in the wind.
Whatever blacks have achieved has been in spite of whites for the most part. Most whites were quite fine with “No blacks” signs in the 60’s, if you remember. And even now most seem to be quite fine with high rates of black unemployment