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Reply 40
Original post by Truths
A higher standard of living? And at whose expense? The orphan sweatshop workers in china and the countless innocents killed during the invasions of aforementioned countries, in order to create and maintain such a standard of living? Or the environment for that matter. Having climate change as collateral for our "standard of living". And so many other flaws of our market driven society that I won't even touch on. Imo, putting money and material before the people is not a "superior value" at all. I concede that Africans may have been lagging behind in opulence and technology in relation to the west. But their standard of living was adequate enough for it's time, seeing as they were able to sustain. That's not to say that Africa wouldn't have developed over time without western intervention. They would have developed in addition to actually in living within the bounds of nature, as they always did.

We do not thrive in harmony with nature, we rely heavily on non-renewable resources, and the earth, as well as the people are paying the price for that. That is not an exceptional example of what a civilisation should be, especially up against precolonial Africa, dare I say.




Amen!
People conveniently forget that there are 14 million slaves in India at the moment. Why keep going on about the past no one alive was even involved.
Original post by caravaggio2

Christ on a rope, for an idea of the way Africans treat each other, let alone Europeans given half the chance check out the YT video of Bono Harem slaughtering men like pigs and throwing them off a bridge*for simply refusing to fight for them.


Well that's the last U2 album I'm buying.
Original post by TurboCretin
Well that's the last U2 album I'm buying.


Hahaha, good one.
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Original post by caravaggio2
Hahaha, good one.
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I give you... Bono Harem:

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Original post by Jasey
Thats disgusting and disgustingly ignorant. It is the negligence and exploitation of the British, Dutch, French (etc) empires which have left certain African and Asian countries ungovernable and in economic and political chaos. A lot of you in this thread need to educate yourselves on colonial history. And to suggest that our countries needed colonial rule and to be 'civilised' are the words of white supremacist pigs.


Whatever. Your 'countries' are a failure because of yourselves. Your culture is incapable of accepting that fact and wish to blame foreigners who you kicked out. Wherever Africans are there is nothing buy mass poverty, mass human rights abuses, slavery, war and violence. Nobodys making you do that. Nobodys forcing you be a poor mess. Nobodys making you violent. You get millions a year from the West yet you're still poor what do you do with that money? You've been given billions you don't deserve. You're just too lazy to do anything.
On the one had there is the whole "White people saving black people" in society, where white people are accused of constantly seeing black people as in need of help, just search "White Lady Saves the Day"

Then on the other hand, you have certain sections of the black community constantly reminding us of how they are victims...

Lol.
Original post by BullViagra
it must be very hard to be white these days right?

white people dont need defending, stop whining like a baby.


Typical, ignorant and dismissive answer from a racist. You almost say that Like you would acknoweldge anything bad happening to white people anyway lol. Rotherham? That proves the racist, de-sensetized ideology toward the majority entirely. And white people still can't talk about that nor is it acknoweldged.

In your mind there will never be a time where whites can legitimately speak up and defend themselves since you view the world as whites being bad and minorities being good. People like you make me laugh. You will never allow a white person be seen as a victim whatever happens to them as that's the popular politically correct theology, no matter what happened. If Islam took over France tomorrow you'd still be saying the same nonsense and wouldn't utter of word of understanding. The only thing you recognize whites to do is keep their heads down, sow their mouths shut and tell themselves they're every negative word under the sun.
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Original post by DiddyDec
I will not be held responsible for something that my ancestors may have done. I have no power in changing the past.

So quite frankly I don't give a flying ****.


The fact you even think that your ancestor was a colonizer or a slave owner goes to show how crazy you are.
Reply 49
It would have been interesting to have your own little slave though.

I suppose it's just like having a maid now except less expense.
Original post by Catholic_
The fact you even think that your ancestor was a colonizer or a slave owner goes to show how crazy you are.


I'm actually pretty certain that none of my ancestors were involved in the slave trade or colonization. However I don't for sure, that is why if you go back and read my original post in contains the word "may".

Learn to read.
Reply 51
Original post by Catholic_
If Islam took over France tomorrow you'd still be saying the same nonsense and wouldn't utter of word of understanding.

"If Islam took over France", you mean if the people of France chose to convert to Islam, right?
Reply 52
Original post by Catholic_
Whatever. Your 'countries' are a failure because of yourselves. Your culture is incapable of accepting that fact and wish to blame foreigners who you kicked out. Wherever Africans are there is nothing buy mass poverty, mass human rights abuses, slavery, war and violence. Nobodys making you do that. Nobodys forcing you be a poor mess. Nobodys making you violent. You get millions a year from the West yet you're still poor what do you do with that money? You've been given billions you don't deserve. You're just too lazy to do anything.


All there is really left to say is that none of those issues sans slavery were pressingly prevalent before colonisation. And none of them are going to be solved over night, especially when a select few Western countries continue to interfere. But at the same time, Africa is very diverse and every country is different. You sound very ignorant clumping them all together like that.
Reply 53
Original post by Catholic_
Typical, ignorant and dismissive answer from a racist. You almost say that Like you would acknoweldge anything bad happening to white people anyway lol. Rotherham? That proves the racist, de-sensetized ideology toward the majority entirely. And white people still can't talk about that nor is it acknoweldged.

In your mind there will never be a time where whites can legitimately speak up and defend themselves since you view the world as whites being bad and minorities being good. People like you make me laugh. You will never allow a white person be seen as a victim whatever happens to them as that's the popular politically correct theology, no matter what happened. If Islam took over France tomorrow you'd still be saying the same nonsense and wouldn't utter of word of understanding. The only thing you recognize whites to do is keep their heads down, sow their mouths shut and tell themselves they're every negative word under the sun.

You do realise that white people do not make up the majority of the world...
Original post by PenseurRationnel
Why is slavery purely depicted as a White Christian crime given the long history of slavery by others? Many Whites in history were slaves, Arabs had a huge slave trade. Turk's ottoman empire had loads of slaves. Jews by the way were a huge part of the West's slave trade but it goes ignored because it's considered anti-Semitic.

I know no one who has been affected by the Arab slave trade nor do I live in a country that has been shaped and continues to be shaped by that trade. That is quite untrue about the Atlantic slave trade.

The central impact of the African Transatlantic Slave trade you nonchalantly brush aside is the legacy. And it’s that legacy that connects us and everyone else posting in this forum today and will continue until the day it’s resolved or addressed.

You cannot (and here is the challenge if you are up for it) point to any other form of slavery (present, past or pre-historic) that has had such an immense and global impact on this planet than the African Holocaust

The outcome of that operation is the crucial factor which in terms of scale and magnitude has gone unsurpassed and has had a profound effect on millions worldwide. Not just because of slavery, that was just the starting point. But because white supremacy would not allow themselves to see blacks as humans and it carried on long after the slave trade was abolished.

Although the slave trade was abolished, slavery was not. So whites who wanted to do the cool thing at the time and be progressive said Sure, we’ll stop bringing slaves over from Africa, but I’ll be damned if I give up the ones raising my children and tending my land.”

Your argument is the same as me killing your mother and then me turning around and saying “Hey !! What’s the big deal ? Many men have killed women. What about the yorskshire ripper ?” It amazes me that you would waste more than two seconds trying to excuse something so clearly evil, like the slave trade.

Original post by PenseurRationnel
The reality is a minuscule minority of the world White population owned slaves so most had nothing to do with it. So this idea that every White person on this planet was a slave owning racist is really incredibly racist itself.


When white people do something bad like slavery or colonialism

To you

History does not matter now. After all the people who did it are not around

But

When white people do something good. Like a positive invention

History matter now. Even though the people who did it are not around

How convenient

Many whites want to claim and take pride in the good things from their past inventions made, battles won, rights fought for, etc but then act as if the bad things have nothing to do with them like slavery, genocide and rights not fought for. But you cannot have it both ways.


Original post by PenseurRationnel

Heck, a lot of poor Whites hated slavery because you know what it meant? lower wages and someone to take their jobs. I think slavery largely benefited the rich, the people who owned the industries that profited from slavery.


Well, this is how both racism and the class system have been maintained, by playing off whites against people of color. In the 1700s, this meant placing poor whites on slave patrols among other things, so as to make them, at least partially, members of the same team as the elite. When people are poor, a little boost is sometimes all it takes. White privilege has been that boost.

In fact, ironically, white privilege matters more to the poor than the rich. When one is rich, after all, one has enough money to stay warm and buy security. But when one is poor and white, skin is all one has left, and it takes on larger-than-life meaning.

Original post by PenseurRationnel
When we talk of racism what does racism mean? Racism is almost become a code-word for White because whenever Racism is mentioned it's always to do with something a White person said or may have done.


As an idea anyone can be racist but at the systemic level, people of color can be racist in theory, but typically not in practice, and certainly not very effectively.

Although a person of color in an authority position can discriminate against a white person, this kind of thing rarely happens because,

A) Such persons are still statistically rare relative to whites in authority,

B) In virtually all cases, there are authorities above those people of color who are white, and who would not stand for such actions

C) Even in cases where a person of color sits atop a power structure (as with President Obama), he is not truly free to do anything to oppress or marginalize white people (even were he so inclined), given his own need to attract white support in order to win election or pass any of his policy agenda.

There are no institutional structures in the U.K. in which people of color exercise final and controlling authority: not in the school systems, labour market, justice system, housing markets, financial markets, or media. As such, the ability of black and brown folks to oppress white people simply does not exist.

Having said that, it is certainly true that in other countries, people of color could have power sufficient to discriminate against others, including whites. Although even anti-white bias in the like Nigeria, Japan, India is somewhat limited by the reality of global economics and the desire for good relations with the West, but it is possible for persons of color in those places to mistreat whites individually and, occasionally.

But it is absurd to believe that anti-white racism, practiced by people of color, remotely equates as a social problem to white racism against people of color..


Original post by PenseurRationnel

If White people are evil, racists when do many non-White people risk their lives to live in White countries?


People come to white countries not because white people are so loving and kind and fair and just and wonderful and tra-la-la but because work there pays way better.

Poverty is a worse evil than racism. It especially seems that way when you have experienced poverty but have yet to experience racism.

But just because poverty is worse than racism that does not make racism a “trivial” concern.

So ‘some’ Non-Whites are richer in white countries not because whites have been kinder to them, they are richer in white countries because white countries are richer.

The pie is so big in 'some' majority white countries that even when it is divided unjustly, as it is, it still leaves most people with more pie than any ordinary person would get in some majority non-white countries.

But the worst thing about this argument is that it is such a huge lie.

Whites pretty much let non-whites (especially blacks) twist in the wind.

Whatever blacks have achieved has been in spite of whites for the most part. Most whites were quite fine with “No blacks” signs in the 60’s, if you remember. And even now most seem to be quite fine with high rates of black unemployment
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Reply 55
Original post by Blue_Mason
Where would Europe be without slavery?
But whites have profited and benefited from slavery and even till this day it still has its effect and reminders.
You people will never understand the amount of damage that was inflicted by the greed of Europeans


Slaves didn't fuel the Industrial Revolution, they did not design the ground-breaking machines and technology of the period.
Reply 56
Original post by BullViagra
it must be very hard to be white these days right?

white people dont need defending, stop whining like a baby.



You're right it's as hard as being any other ethnicity.
Original post by CarlNorthWest
I know no one who has been affected by the Arab slave trade nor do I live in a country that has been shaped and continues to be shaped by that trade. That is quite untrue about the Atlantic slave trade.

The central impact of the African Transatlantic Slave trade you nonchalantly brush aside is the legacy. And it’s that legacy that connects us and everyone else posting in this forum today and will continue until the day it’s resolved or addressed.

You cannot (and here is the challenge if you are up for it) point to any other form of slavery (present, past or pre-historic) that has had such an immense and global impact on this planet than the African Holocaust

The outcome of that operation is the crucial factor which in terms of scale and magnitude has gone unsurpassed and has had a profound effect on millions worldwide. Not just because of slavery, that was just the starting point. But because white supremacy would not allow themselves to see blacks as humans and it carried on long after the slave trade was abolished.

Although the slave trade was abolished, slavery was not. So whites who wanted to do the cool thing at the time and be progressive said Sure, we’ll stop bringing slaves over from Africa, but I’ll be damned if I give up the ones raising my children and tending my land.”

Your argument is the same as me killing your mother and then me turning around and saying “Hey !! What’s the big deal ? Many men have killed women. What about the yorskshire ripper ?” It amazes me that you would waste more than two seconds trying to excuse something so clearly evil, like the slave trade.



When white people do something bad like slavery or colonialism

To you

History does not matter now. After all the people who did it are not around

But

When white people do something good. Like a positive invention

History matter now. Even though the people who did it are not around

How convenient

Many whites want to claim and take pride in the good things from their past inventions made, battles won, rights fought for, etc but then act as if the bad things have nothing to do with them like slavery, genocide and rights not fought for. But you cannot have it both ways.




Well, this is how both racism and the class system have been maintained, by playing off whites against people of color. In the 1700s, this meant placing poor whites on slave patrols among other things, so as to make them, at least partially, members of the same team as the elite. When people are poor, a little boost is sometimes all it takes. White privilege has been that boost.

In fact, ironically, white privilege matters more to the poor than the rich. When one is rich, after all, one has enough money to stay warm and buy security. But when one is poor and white, skin is all one has left, and it takes on larger-than-life meaning.



As an idea anyone can be racist but at the systemic level, people of color can be racist in theory, but typically not in practice, and certainly not very effectively.

Although a person of color in an authority position can discriminate against a white person, this kind of thing rarely happens because,

A) Such persons are still statistically rare relative to whites in authority,

B) In virtually all cases, there are authorities above those people of color who are white, and who would not stand for such actions

C) Even in cases where a person of color sits atop a power structure (as with President Obama), he is not truly free to do anything to oppress or marginalize white people (even were he so inclined), given his own need to attract white support in order to win election or pass any of his policy agenda.

There are no institutional structures in the U.K. in which people of color exercise final and controlling authority: not in the school systems, labour market, justice system, housing markets, financial markets, or media. As such, the ability of black and brown folks to oppress white people simply does not exist.

Having said that, it is certainly true that in other countries, people of color could have power sufficient to discriminate against others, including whites. Although even anti-white bias in the like Nigeria, Japan, India is somewhat limited by the reality of global economics and the desire for good relations with the West, but it is possible for persons of color in those places to mistreat whites individually and, occasionally.

But it is absurd to believe that anti-white racism, practiced by people of color, remotely equates as a social problem to white racism against people of color..




People come to white countries not because white people are so loving and kind and fair and just and wonderful and tra-la-la but because work there pays way better.

Poverty is a worse evil than racism. It especially seems that way when you have experienced poverty but have yet to experience racism.

But just because poverty is worse than racism that does not make racism a “trivial” concern.

So ‘some’ Non-Whites are richer in white countries not because whites have been kinder to them, they are richer in white countries because white countries are richer.

The pie is so big in 'some' majority white countries that even when it is divided unjustly, as it is, it still leaves most people with more pie than any ordinary person would get in some majority non-white countries.

But the worst thing about this argument is that it is such a huge lie.

Whites pretty much let non-whites (especially blacks) twist in the wind.

Whatever blacks have achieved has been in spite of whites for the most part. Most whites were quite fine with “No blacks” signs in the 60’s, if you remember. And even now most seem to be quite fine with high rates of black unemployment


This is just a general remark to the whole post, but you make such sweeping generalisations that is disturbing.
Original post by f11991
Slaves didn't fuel the Industrial Revolution, they did not design the ground-breaking machines and technology of the period.



Slavery did indeed fund the foundations of the american and the british industrial revolution.
Original post by Born_Survivor
People conveniently forget that there are 14 million slaves in India at the moment. Why keep going on about the past no one alive was even involved.


Spoken like a true European

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