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Let's talk about hypergamy again

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Original post by Smash Bandicoot
of course not, I'm grateful for the help. Nonetheless I do believe it is self-evident I am exhibiting Suzie's 'beta' traits :frown: which are actually omega since beta is more like Sensitive New Age Guy anyway. Am I not?

I'll agree my mind is a little distorted but only in that I'm obsessed about this which by definition suggests a great level of fear/anxiety and a lack of mental/emotional control over the area of life in question or other areas

Now would be a good time to tell you I might have Aspergers which would explain the way I think about these social norms, but I've been on a waiting list for 3 months. I was borderline on the test around Christmas so I don't know yet this may just be a product of the anxiety disorder :s-smilie:


I'm not a psychiatrist, so I'm not diagnosing you but as someone who has studied a lot of psychology, that does indeed sound like a symptom of typical Aspergers. Though, like you said, it could also just be your anxiety which is more likely. So what is it exactly you think you're gaining from reading Suzie's criteria about beta and alpha males?
Original post by EllainKahlo
I'm not a psychiatrist, so I'm not diagnosing you but as someone who has studied a lot of psychology, that does indeed sound like a symptom of typical Aspergers. Though, like you said, it could also just be your anxiety which is more likely. So what is it exactly you think you're gaining from reading Suzie's criteria about beta and alpha males?


if put into application I'd probably be better in social situations, whether or not this translates as make more friends with women too I couldn't say but it seems probable. I would rather not have any than be the orbiter they talk **** about/laugh about behind their back
Original post by Smash Bandicoot
if put into application I'd probably be better in social situations, whether or not this translates as make more friends with women too I couldn't say but it seems probable. I would rather not have any than be the orbiter they talk **** about/laugh about behind their back


You're not being truthful to yourself or others if you assume an act you think is socially acceptable. In the long-run that's going to cause you to have more issues than you already do, because you're lying to yourself. You are allowed to pick your friends after all, they might be hard to come by but you need to pick people who accept you for who you are. Then all the other issues will fall into place and you won't need to have such anxious thoughts about whether they respect/love you or not.
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You're focusing on this far too much and it is not going to do you any favours. First get the idea of Alpha Beta male out of your head, it does not nor ever will apply to humans (or indeed the vast majority of other primates). We are not dogs, our social systems are far more in depth and complicated partly due to our primate nature and the other part due to our sentience. You are not completely wrong and hypergamy to an extent does exist however you are making the mistake of vastly oversimplifying human beings to come up with a Alpha + Hypergamy = no girls for me type equation when in reality the world and human emotions in particular are so much more complicated. Women don't have a set list of criteria that makes one guy better than another (well some probably do but I'm talking about in general) and someone's perceived status in a society is in no way shape or form a reflection on how many women they are currently banging or the state of their marital affairs.

You seriously need to stop worrying about this because it will mess your head up if every time you talk to a pretty girl you're wondering when her hypergamy will kick in and she'll go screw a 80 year old billionaire, go to a club or join a dating site, get some healthy interaction with the opposite sex and that will help you a lot more than reading through those articles will.
Original post by EllainKahlo
You're not being truthful to yourself or others if you assume an act you think is socially acceptable. In the long-run that's going to cause you to have more issues than you already do, because you're lying to yourself. You are allowed to pick your friends after all, they might be hard to come by but you need to pick people who accept you for who you are. Then all the other issues will fall into place and you won't need to have such anxious thoughts about whether they respect/love you or not.


this is the 'just be yourself' argument, but it is well reported that certain traits are abhorred by most well-rounded, confident and mature adults (e.g. laziness, attention-seeking, messing people about etc.)
Original post by Smash Bandicoot
this is the 'just be yourself' argument, but it is well reported that certain traits are abhorred by most well-rounded, confident and mature adults (e.g. laziness, attention-seeking, messing people about etc.)


You don't seem lazy to me, nor an attention-seeker so those attributes don't apply to you. Would you really rather act like someone else and attract people who only like your for that, or have a few close friends who accept you as you are?
Original post by EllainKahlo
You don't seem lazy to me, nor an attention-seeker so those attributes don't apply to you. Would you really rather act like someone else and attract people who only like your for that, or have a few close friends who accept you as you are?


Thank you, I guess you haven't seen enough of me yet to change your opinion.

I'd rather be the best version of myself which is not this. :/
Original post by jimi191
You're focusing on this far too much and it is not going to do you any favours. First get the idea of Alpha Beta male out of your head, it does not nor ever will apply to humans (or indeed the vast majority of other primates). We are not dogs, our social systems are far more in depth and complicated partly due to our primate nature and the other part due to our sentience. You are not completely wrong and hypergamy to an extent does exist however you are making the mistake of vastly oversimplifying human beings to come up with a Alpha + Hypergamy = no girls for me type equation when in reality the world and human emotions in particular are so much more complicated. Women don't have a set list of criteria that makes one guy better than another (well some probably do but I'm talking about in general) and someone's perceived status in a society is in no way shape or form a reflection on how many women they are currently banging or the state of their marital affairs.

You seriously need to stop worrying about this because it will mess your head up if every time you talk to a pretty girl you're wondering when her hypergamy will kick in and she'll go screw a 80 year old billionaire, go to a club or join a dating site, get some healthy interaction with the opposite sex and that will help you a lot more than reading through those articles will.


PRSOM
Original post by Smash Bandicoot
Thank you, I guess you haven't seen enough of me yet to change your opinion.

I'd rather be the best version of myself which is not this. :/


That's good but you need help being the best version of yourself. That's why in the meantime, as you wait for your place on the NHS to come through you shouldn't be making yourself worse by surfing the net for damaging content. I know it's not possible to just switch off your problems but you're feeding your issues unnecessarily. Have you tried to talking to Samaritans? You can email them or call them 24 hours a day.
You've clearly been spending too much time on the internet. Why not go out tomorrow? You might see some actual women, and believe me, most of them aren't the evil, conniving creatures the internet makes them out to be, in fact a lot of them are quite lovely people. :smile:
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Original post by The Socktor
You've clearly been spending too much time on the internet. Why not go out tomorrow? You might see some actual women, and believe me, most of them aren't the evil, conniving creatures the internet makes them out to be, in fact a lot of them are quite lovely people. :smile:


I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the social anxiety and I don't think most of them are evil just that they have certain...needs which must be met no matter what. But yeah I'm working towards it and seeing friends etc.
Original post by EllainKahlo
That's good but you need help being the best version of yourself. That's why in the meantime, as you wait for your place on the NHS to come through you shouldn't be making yourself worse by surfing the net for damaging content. I know it's not possible to just switch off your problems but you're feeding your issues unnecessarily. Have you tried to talking to Samaritans? You can email them or call them 24 hours a day.


Yes I've called Samaritans re: anxiety/depression in the past, don't think they'll understand with this. Closest I can think of is Relate and people here have said I'm top young and a specialist case for them so I'm in 2 minds about it now
Original post by Smash Bandicoot
Yes I've called Samaritans re: anxiety/depression in the past, don't think they'll understand with this. Closest I can think of is Relate and people here have said I'm top young and a specialist case for them so I'm in 2 minds about it now


Are you over or under 18? I think CBT would really help you. This is from the NHS' website: "Your GP can refer you for talking treatment that is free on the NHS. This will usually be a short course of counselling or CBT from the GP surgery's counselling service."

Perhaps you should try this and you will get someone to talk to in person, quicker.
Original post by EllainKahlo
Are you over or under 18? I think CBT would really help you. This is from the NHS' website: "Your GP can refer you for talking treatment that is free on the NHS. This will usually be a short course of counselling or CBT from the GP surgery's counselling service."

Perhaps you should try this and you will get someone to talk to in person, quicker.


I've had CBT the intensity and frequency of my obsessions and paranoia was considered too high profile for it alone so they referred me up to Step 4 Psychologies
Original post by Smash Bandicoot
I've had CBT the intensity and frequency of my obsessions and paranoia was considered too high profile for it alone so they referred me up to Step 4 Psychologies


I know this sounds extreme, but since your condition is severe, have you considered admitting yourself to a psych-ward? I doubt this will be necessary but it might be if you're getting worse and haven't responded to the other steps of treatment.
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Some truth to it, but it doesn't have nearly as much importance in relationships as you think. People don't swap out partners as readily as smartphones.
This is not how it works in the real world.

You don't have to be this sort of successful, aesthetic super-Spartan to get laid, at the same time, even if you are that it doesn't guarantee you what you want.
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You will be loved!!!!!!
Original post by EllainKahlo
I know this sounds extreme, but since your condition is severe, have you considered admitting yourself to a psych-ward? I doubt this will be necessary but it might be if you're getting worse and haven't responded to the other steps of treatment.


Yeah it's a bit extreme. Doc would laugh and up my meds like last time lol
Original post by Smash Bandicoot
Yeah it's a bit extreme. Doc would laugh and up my meds like last time lol


Are you on medication which is helping you at all?

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