Is Christianity an evil religion?
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no im not. you got the wrong guy. im the one saying that it hasnt. some muslim said that it did. i am asking her to prove it.(Original post by yawn1)
You are right - it hasn't changed it's stance - you are the one saying it has so the onus of proof is on you.
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As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism(Original post by hitchhiker_13)
It's true. Limbo doesn't exist anymore, or rather, it never did.
I'm not sure how I can prove this. I will work on it.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
This doesn't state explicitly that it doesn't exist, but it is never mentioned - either at mass or in religious studies at my (Catholic) school.
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You're wrong, as are the many people who hold this view.(Original post by Lawzzzzzz)
Catholicism is littered with TERRIBLE teachings and paradoxes - NO contraception, etc etc...
Artificial contraception is frowned upon, but other methods such as coitus interruptus (sp?) and the rhythm method are not. This is an extremely important distinction and I do wish people like you would learn these things before coming on here and trying to engage in debate.
The teaching about no artificial contraception is not ex cathedra anyway, so its not one of the more vital ones.
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Religions encourage certainty, irrationality, intolerance and arrogance. Most of them also teach that everyone who gets it wrong will suffer agonies for ever, while the good chaps will have an eternity of pleasure. Christianity is probably even worse than the rest.
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HAH!(Original post by lala)
You're wrong, as are the many people who hold this view.
Artificial contraception is frowned upon, but other methods such as coitus interruptus (sp?) and the rhythm method are not. This is an extremely important distinction and I do wish people like you would learn these things before coming on here and trying to engage in debate.
The teaching about no artificial contraception is not ex cathedra anyway, so its not one of the more vital ones.
You stand corrected.
The RYTHM method? THATS NOT contraception ....
The fact that artificial contraception is FROWNED upon is the point - whether its seen as a capital crime or just "taboo" - the teaching leads to vast numbers of unwanted children and population growth in Catholic countries
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Yes it is. I said nothing about whether it was effective, but the fact remains that such attempts to prevent sex from resulting in pregnancy are contraception, whether you like it or not, I think you confuse artificial contraception with contraception per se. The methods I mentioned may not be to your taste my love but contraception they certainly are. If you want to try and argue then go and educate yourself a bit first.(Original post by Lawzzzzzz)
HAH!
The RYTHM method? THATS NOT contraception ....
The fact that artificial contraception is FROWNED upon is the point - whether its seen as a capital crime or just "taboo" - the teaching leads to vast numbers of unwanted children and population growth in Catholic countries
I stand entirely uncorrected.
By the way, you talk about population growth in Catholic countries: you're not aware then that Catholic Spain and Italy have some of the lowest birth rates in the world. And also that since the teaching is not ex cathedra (do you even know what that is?) its not followed by most Catholics anyway. Stupid girl/boy. -
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According to the Roman Catholic Church, if sex is not intended for reproduction it is sinful. So if you're having sex with your partner without the intention to have a baby you're basically heading for hell.
Can people not see that the three children of Abraham - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - are thoroughly degenerate and decadent? -
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Are you a Lord of the Rings geek, or do you just fancy that gay icon?(Original post by Gandalf)
According to the Roman Catholic Church, if sex is not intended for reproduction it is sinful. So if you're having sex with your partner without the intention to have a baby you're basically heading for hell.
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He's just a liar(Original post by Bigcnee)
Are you a Lord of the Rings geek, or do you just fancy that gay icon?
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Truth is simply a polite word for uncreativity. And besides, lies are far more interesting.(Original post by Pencil Queen)
He's just a liar
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right gnostic?
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was it the top hat or the cripple that tipped me over the top?(Original post by Gandalf)
Truth is simply a polite word for uncreativity. And besides, lies are far more interesting.
BTW I saw a picture of you on the pic thread post. I knew that you were a geek but I didn't realise the extent of your geekeyness.
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(Original post by lala)
Yes it is. I said nothing about whether it was effective, but the fact remains that such attempts to prevent sex from resulting in pregnancy are contraception, whether you like it or not, I think you confuse artificial contraception with contraception per se. The methods I mentioned may not be to your taste my love but contraception they certainly are. If you want to try and argue then go and educate yourself a bit first.
By the way, you talk about population growth in Catholic countries: you're not aware then that Catholic Spain and Italy have some of the lowest birth rates in the world. And also that since the teaching is not ex cathedra (do you even know what that is?) its not followed by most Catholics anyway. Stupid girl/boy.
I wasnt refering to Italy or Spain, not EVERY COUNTRY - But just look the Philippines or Latin America.
And Im sure that Italy and Spain's birth rate is low for a number of reasons - including artifical contraception....
Additionally I could care LESS whether its "technically contraception" - you are missing my point entirely - namely that the Catholic chuch "frowns on" (or whatever) contraception in an effective form - and this in turn leads to unwelcome effects arounds the world.
And thank you but I don't need to be educated on some of the ridiculous crap spouted by the Vatican - I have seen its ramifications myself.
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You can try and back down from the contraception point all you want, but the fact remains that you were wrong in your assertions that a) the Catholic Church disapproves of all contraception and b) that the rhythm method is not contraception. Funny how you're trying to change the subject now in an attempt to gloss over this!(Original post by Lawzzzzzz)
I wasnt refering to Italy or Spain, not EVERY COUNTRY - But just look the Philippines or Latin America.
And Im sure that Italy and Spain's birth rate is low for a number of reasons - including artifical contraception....
Additionally I could care LESS whether its "technically contraception" - you are missing my point entirely - namely that the Catholic chuch "frowns on" (or whatever) contraception in an effective form - and this in turn leads to unwelcome effects arounds the world.
And thank you but I don't need to be educated on some of the ridiculous crap spouted by the Vatican - I have seen its ramifications myself.
Stupid girl/boy
You also said Catholic countries have high birthrates, rather than 'some', so it might be wise to make yourself clearer in future (though I suppose that might make it harder for you to pretend you meant something else and save face).
You might also note that the artificial contraception teaching is not widely followed anyway (in Italy and Spain, as you said yourself!) and so its ramifications are unlikely to be great.
I'm not interested in discussing with you what you think of Vatican teaching, especially since you evidently aren't especially well informed about it, but I do hope I've cleared this one up for you. You evidently do need to be educated about what church teaching actually is but you'll forgive me I hope for not wanting to take on so mammoth a task myself.
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(Original post by lala)
You can try and back down from the contraception point all you want, but the fact remains that you were wrong in your assertions that a) the Catholic Church disapproves of all contraception and b) that the rhythm method is not contraception. Funny how you're trying to change the subject now in an attempt to gloss over this!
You also said Catholic countries have high birthrates, rather than 'some', so it might be wise to make yourself clearer in future (though I suppose that might make it harder for you to pretend you meant something else and save face).
You might also note that the artificial contraception teaching is not widely followed anyway (in Italy and Spain, as you said yourself!) and so its ramifications are unlikely to be great.
I'm not interested in discussing with you what you think of Vatican teaching, especially since you evidently aren't especially well informed about it, but I do hope I've cleared this one up for you. You evidently do need to be educated about what church teaching actually is but you'll forgive me I hope for not wanting to take on so mammoth a task myself.
Think of a good closing line yourself instead of using mine.
What a ridiculous post. It once more ignores the central issue in the attempt for you to sound smug.
1. Yes I KNOW technically the rhythm method is contraception - my point is it is entirely ineffective.
2. Again my point is that the church disapproves of EFFECTIVE contraception - while this may be modifying my language - I would think that given the context of the debate it would be evident - My problem is NOT that they say (its ok to ejaculate outside your wife) - my point is that their teaching or attitude is conducive to higher birth rates.
3. YES I KNOW in Europe it is a different case - but once more you miss my point - in many poor third world countries the Church’s view plays a large role in the large birth rates. I know this only too well having had family involved in the FPA, and one who was head of it ... I have also been part of it in the west Indies - and the Catholic church has raised many objections to it.
4. The rhythm method won't fight aids now will it?
5. SO what if some countries don’t follow it? Does that excuse the attempts to discourage contraception in a efficacious form?
IN the end you can stress technicalities all you want - the point is that the teachings of the Catholic church DO have some disastrous effects world-wide - this was my central issue and one you failed to address - instead deciding to quibble with me on small insignificant issues.
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DoctorNO, you should note the opening passage of the glorious Quran, in which it is stated clearly that the Quran is a guide for people who absolute faith. I.e., you cannot hope to interpret or understand the Quran in an infidelic state. Although the qoutes you give are correct, they have deeper meanings which you will not fathom without the guidance of a scholar.
It may suffice to say however, that no muslim has true faith until they regard themselves inferior to every other human, regardless of their status in the eyes of God.
Islaam is a peaceful religion which was spread by the unique and beautiful manners of prophet Muhammed(peace be upon them) and his followers at that time, not, as is widely believed, by the sword or violence.
Muhammed was superior to other prophets. One of their pecularities was that they had no shadow. Even today, this is in evidence. Hair from their blessed head has been passed on through the generations, and under intense light, it has no shadow. What is more, it still grows for God has stated that the earth cannot decompose the bodies of the prophets. -
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You might wish to inform those in Turkey, the Balkans, and Southern Spain of that fact. I'm sure they would disagree(Original post by 786)
Islaam is a peaceful religion which was spread by the unique and beautiful manners of prophet Muhammed(peace be upon them) and his followers at that time, not, as is widely believed, by the sword or violence.
