Most of the main Green policies are terrifying

I think if you asked a North Korean they would say it's better. The point is it is imposible to compare societies objectively because your current society will manipulate your thinking.

does it count when a society is brainwashed? surely the fact itself that brainwashing goes on is a clear display that they're *not* as good when an obvious criterion of quality is liberty or rationality?

And you just applied your societal veiws to judge a different culture, because that's what you were belived to think. And liberty is a very western value so it cultural thus cannot be applied and rationality is subjective (e.g. a left wing person might accuse a right wing person of being irrational

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north korean values aren't based on a free market of ideas, it's based on a dictatorship's injections of propaganda and terror. propaganda being judged as a cultural value is insane.

What?
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you're saying that north korean values are just as valid as western ones because of your insane post-modernistic view of things, but the north korean society's values aren't based on the consent of the people so how can you call them just as valid as our values?

I'll give you an example of a zero growth economy.

A company employs 10 people. Through an efficiecy saving and the introduction of better management techniques, you can do the same job with 5 people.

If you keep ten people on yiuve just expanded the economy.

If you let 5 people go to maintain a zero growth economy, there's now 5 people unemployed who will never find work elsewhere because other company's aren't growing to take them on.

Because ours aren't either, our values aren't inherent but taught and imposed by mob mentality.

I think if you asked a North Korean they would say it's better. The point is it is imposible to compare societies objectively because your current society will manipulate your thinking.

how are our values imposed on us?

I'm not entirely sure it's as simple as that. I think the media exaggerates the extent to which North Koreans are brainwashed.

Simple: ban making people redundant, tie people to the land, make jobs heritable. The end result of ideologies like that of the Greens is feudalism. Zero growth - or close to it - will come naturally once the market economy is gone.

Maybe not and there will be some people who wish to change society (me)
and yes, they seem more free thinking these days.

Our values are imposed by the colective. At the prospect of social rejection and ridicule.

Our values are imposed by the colective. At the prospect of social rejection and ridicule.

There have been people with your views for many years, communism is not a new idea.
It's like saying footballers shouldnt get paid so much, yes they should, because people pay to watch them, their skills are highly valued and therefore they are high in demand.

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Why does everyone seem to be of the opinion that I'm a communist
but they don't contribute in the perfect world farmers and cleaners would be payed more then 'sports stars' as they do more.

No, that's your childish idea of a so called "perfect world"

Economics state that things which are in high demand yet low supply are valuable.

Farming and cleaning are unskilled jobs, anybody can do them, they are in demand but also have very high supply.

Footballers have a rare talent, but are in high demand. People are paying money to buy tickets and subscriptions to watch them, and there is no reason they shouldn't get paid a lot, because people are ensuing to see them, if you want to stop that, you will have to make football illegal.

It's not just footballers, anybody, engineers, doctors, lawyers, accountants or anybody else with a sought after skill/talent such as CEO's

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I'll give you an example of a zero growth economy.

A company employs 10 people. Through an efficiecy saving and the introduction of better management techniques, you can do the same job with 5 people.

If you keep ten people on yiuve just expanded the economy.

If you let 5 people go to maintain a zero growth economy, there's now 5 people unemployed who will never find work elsewhere because other company's aren't growing to take them on.