TSR is a forum where males are more vocal, and abuse/sexism/arrogance is rewarded?

Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way, even though I haven't been here long.

Really, how do you know that? A real shame if that's the case- surely the more people here, the more interesting?

What do you think?

I have noticed that responses to most threads, apart from the degree/ offer holder/ job threads, posts start off being quite respectful, sociable and reasonable, and then the same names appear, and give their arrogant, narcissistic, self-centered, 'logical' and judgmental opinions. They are always male, always white, usually heterosexual. It's almost like a mental illness a lot of them have. I say white because most people in UK are white, and most users are from UK, and many of them have photos of themselves. But not always white(!).

I've also noticed that they tend to dominate discussions on TSR. The same few boys/ young men appear everywhere, they are abusive, rude and dismissive and literally have acquired 'legend' status because of it. Does anyone else find this disturbing. I am new to TSR, why is this? Is this a thing you all know about?

Also, I see the word sexist and misandry being used a lot, against the female posters who are brave enough to actually speak. This is something I've not encountered irl and my friendship group is mixed! Who are these boys/men? And why does everyone accept their abuse? I've literally watched threads descend into hatred, female posters being attacked for the views, or male posters saying the same thing, after abusing them, and being congratulated for their insight.

I feel like there's something I'm missing Is there rule about males/females on here? Why are people so rude here?

I thought about leaving because, was quite shocked, but you can't leave.There is no deactivate button? So would love to hear from people and your views, especially posters that don't usually post at all or feel silenced.

Thanks

Precious illusions sits on the fence a lot... And so does Maid Marian, don't know where you got that from.

I think its because society is gradually becoming more progressive, those on the fringes are lashing out and are very active on the internet as its a place they can hide and be anonymous.

In real life, if you start spouting off views about how much you hate Muslims, gay people, women, other races, poor people etc then very quickly people are going to think you are a knob. Now these people like to paint themselves as bastions of free speech sometimes by saying you should have the right to say what you want and we live in a censored world etc but actually there aren't as many laws against this as they make out. A lot of the time when someone in the public eye is forced to apologise/resign because of saying something controversial on the lines above, it's not because of any threat of legal action, it's because they get public backlash from people exercising their own right to free speech.

The implication for all the people that have those racist/homophobic/misogynistic/anti-Islamic views is that they have soon learned they can't express them in real life to people around them because they will soon lose friends. Some of these people are completely obsessed by it - you can see on internet forums like this how they start multiple threads over and over again about the same issue (usually against Islam or feminism), it is something they think about all the time. Can you imagine hanging around someone that was always talking about Islam/feminism 24/7 you would just think they were the most boring/weird obsessed person ever. If they did it in real life they would soon have no friends and be seen as a loser.

So they get forced on to the internet where they can hide their true identity and talk about it and also thats where they will find the other people that think like them who can agree with them.

TSR is not unusual to be saturated with these type of people, it's what the internet is like. Look at youtube, any video that has a significant number of comments will soon turn in to an argument about race/slavery/Ku Klux Klan or Islam v the West. Also if you find any forum that caters for a niche interest (sport, a hobby etc) if they have an 'off topic' or 'politics' subforum it is like TSR, you get some obsessed posters posting continually about how much they hate Islam or how feminism is destroying society.

Now if you look at the internet as being representative of society you can get a view that disappoints you about society but it's actually the opposite situation - the people with these kind of aggressive views feel marginalised because most people today don't agree with them in the way that in the past they might have done so they resort to being more active online.

the constantly reoccurring 'why can't black people swim'

I've never seen one of these threads, but what's wrong with the question?

There are huge differences in swimming and drowning rates by race in the USA: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11172054 and the UK: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mvr2t

Women wanted equality: well now you have it.

What do you think?

I have noticed that responses to most threads, apart from the degree/ offer holder/ job threads, posts start off being quite respectful, sociable and reasonable, and then the same names appear, and give their arrogant, narcissistic, self-centered, 'logical' and judgmental opinions. They are always male, always white, usually heterosexual. It's almost like a mental illness a lot of them have. I say white because most people in UK are white, and most users are from UK, and many of them have photos of themselves. But not always white(!).

I've also noticed that they tend to dominate discussions on TSR. The same few boys/ young men appear everywhere, they are abusive, rude and dismissive and literally have acquired 'legend' status because of it. Does anyone else find this disturbing. I am new to TSR, why is this? Is this a thing you all know about?

Also, I see the word sexist and misandry being used a lot, against the female posters who are brave enough to actually speak. This is something I've not encountered irl and my friendship group is mixed! Who are these boys/men? And why does everyone accept their abuse? I've literally watched threads descend into hatred, female posters being attacked for the views, or male posters saying the same thing, after abusing them, and being congratulated for their insight.

I feel like there's something I'm missing Is there rule about males/females on here? Why are people so rude here?

I thought about leaving because, was quite shocked, but you can't leave.There is no deactivate button? So would love to hear from people and your views, especially posters that don't usually post at all or feel silenced.

Thanks

Just out of interest are you a man by any chance?

Comments like these hardly aid your cause do they? Why not just ignore them?

Just pointing out the obvious.

Precious illusions sits on the fence a lot... And so does Maid Marian, don't know where you got that from.

I don't agree that this is what feminism is in practice and if most of the feminists I've conversed with are anything to go by they don't intend for it to be either. Take the issue of all-female shortlists in Parliament: feminists see a problem in that there are fewer women in Parliament than men, completely ignoring the fact that far, far fewer women put themselves forward for election in the first place. They therefore introduce all-female shortlists which bar half the population from standing for election in certain constituencies on account of their gender. There is no equality in this, there is only imagined inequality and the introduction of actual inequality to combat this imagined inequality. An artificially created equality of outcome is not equality in a liberal democracy, equality of opportunity is. That equality already exists, and that is why feminism is seen as seeking female privilege rather than true gender equality.



Please cite some reliable evidence that, all else being equal

That misogynist's are most likely men?



All you're doing by pointing out such obvious things is insinuating that all men are misogynists. Now, I know you may not be doni that, but it's the impression you're giving off because why else would you be so insistent on going back to "whether someone is a man" or not?

What I don't understand is why the guys who've never had a girlfriend start perpetuating misogyny on here anyway? With an attitude like that towards women, aren't they just reducing their chances of getting a girlfriend anyway?

I know I, and many (if not most) other girls on this forum, would never go for guys with that attitude towards women.

Having studied and practiced feminism for some time, yes, feminism is about being treated equal regardless of sex. And I completely agree with you that not as many women put themselves forward for election, and that's largely down to the fact that women either don't get the opportunity or feel intimidated to go into politics because they've been told it's not their place. It wasn't until fairly recently that girls have been taking politics in my school because girls have just been to scared that they can't be in a class dominated by men in a subject that people tell women they can't do.

Whilst I don't have a document proving it, because companies don't really want to show that they do it. If a man and a woman are doing exactly the same job, same workload, a man will often be given a different title to the woman, in order to be able to pay the man more. That is well known. As is women facing the glass ceiling. Women can't access top positions in a business, practically unless they created it.

Again, I agree that men are degraded as well, but no where near to the extent that women are. And when did I or any other feminist say that it was okay to show men like that? And no, it's not always by choice. When Emma Watson did her speech in the UN, the next day all of the tabloids were commenting on what she was wearing, rather than what she was saying. That was an amazing speech, so why did people feel the need to comment on what she wore? You don't see that every time Obama or Cameron make a speech, so why does it happen to women?



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even though I did nothing but stand up for men and a decent society with morals

I don’t see why it has to be a competition. Men are disadvantaged in some places, women in others. If feminism is about equality, as the textbooks say, why do they only ever stand up for the things which disadvantage women?

Are you also ignoring the fact that men are just as objectified, such as in the Diet Coke ad?