Anybody out there voting Lib Dems?

So long as its a party list rather than candidates in fine with it. That way the parties can put forward 'experts' with less need to act as a delegate simply doing what people want as too many MP's do (if people knew what was good for them then we'd have direct democracy).

More important is the need to reduce the size of both parliaments.

I think they still associate themselves with 'law and order' because they want to be seen as a party that sticks by it's traditional principles.

Because they are the party that most closely represents my views. I am just a little bit sceptical.

Traditional principles don't enforce law or order, but crippling legal aid goes a good way to damaging the good functioning of the law under which everyone should be equal.

I was not arguing that they do enforce 'law and order', but rather simply stating that to appeal to hardcore Tory voters they have to at least appear to be sticking by one of their original principles.

Any particular reason?

I think that a Libertarian party that follows the practices of the old Liberal party still exists today. Not sure how popular they are though.

I understand this, but it doesn't stop it being a 'sickening' claim to me given their dreadful record on the law in this government.

The closest party in today's politics to the Liberal party would be UKIP.

All the other parties are so economically conservative and socially liberal that they put the Progressive Liberals of the early 1900's to shame.

My view is that if a High Tory party was to reform in Britain it would get 30% of the vote no bother. There isn't a socially conservative party out their for anyone to vote for, this is why people are moving to UKIP.

I'm not an indecisive person so NO

Is it rational to trust an arbitrary political doctrine or for that matter not to be ideologically motivated in politics?

I'd recommend learning about politics and deciding on your politics rather than having faith in the lily livered, wishy washy centre party

Can you tell me what defines their policies apart from tentativity then?

I'm given to believe that the Tories and Labour just vie for the centre ground and use it to implement their economic policy. This is why I might seriously consider voting UKIP to pressure the Tories into legislating (perhaps more importantly not legislating like conservatives), even though this would be disastrous in the short term. Would you agree that the essence of real conservatism is libertarian?

I'm given to believe that the Tories and Labour just vie for the centre ground and use it to implement their economic policy. This is why I might seriously consider voting UKIP to pressure the Tories into legislating (perhaps more importantly not legislating like conservatives), even though this would be disastrous in the short term. Would you agree that the essence of real conservatism is libertarian?

I'm sure they don't believe in maintaining labour created institutions necessarily,

Such as, Farage got backlash from his party for hinting at NHS privatisation [QUOTE/]

Interesting

I don't know what to think about them now. My stance on the NHS is one of disgust, it is an extremely lethal socialist relic which is clearly a misfit in Europe, the continental model of the health system as it were using private hospitals which claim the charge back from the tax payer is ubiquitous is Europe and obviously much less dangerous

It is a depressing thought how many people will die in the next century because of this party political cowardice and hypocrisy

They're directly showing the system doesn't work. That a party can be elected not based on any obligation to enact policy but because of waffle, PR, and idealogical branding. I know individual MPs might not apply to this, but they haven't defected.


Every vote for LDems now is a vote against our voting system. A vote for them is someone putting their hands up and saying 'I don't know how this all works', or 'I want a two party system'. I know they'll linger around on 30ish seats most likely, but quite frankly if the LDems disbanded it would restore my faith in the right to vote. Right now I can't help but feel they're factually symbolic of why the political theatre is a tragedy.


That's why I feel that people voting for them are complacent in that mockery of any vestige of democracy that remains in England, and that we'd be better off without their input. I know that sounds heartless but quite frankly I'm angry that people are still voting for MPs that basically metaphorically urinated on them for the past 4 years; and I didn't even vote for them.