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The rich better start lobbying for private military rights within the UK soon else the rise of the pitchforks will bring about a socialist revolution like in Greece.
Original post by constantino_chr
I didn't mean it as an insult, it's up to you if you interpret it like that

And like with almost every government decision there are always going to be 'losers', to me it's about the magnitude of the positive impacts which takes precedence.


General increase in personal wealth?
Higher standards of living?
I just wish Tories would be honest. They will put people in poverty if it means their buddies can get rich.
Original post by Bornblue
Except it created a huge shortage of houses and a 5 million person waiting list.
But yeah, one of the greatest policies wasn't it.
Mind you, when you think Thatcher was a man, it's no surprise you have such daft views.


Do you not think the massive influx of immigrants had an impact on housing?
Original post by illegaltobepoor
The rich better start lobbying for private military rights within the UK soon else the rise of the pitchforks will bring about a socialist revolution like in Greece.


No it won't. The vast majority of the electorate are happy and content. I
Like most am looking back at this financial crash and austerity and realise that it started off with a massive reduction in my mortgage due to the drop in interest rates and its finishing off with petrol cheaper than its been for donkeys years.

Socialism died in the UK when the electorate realised IT didn't work in the late 90s. It's been dieing off ever since only supportd by loud, shouty minorities.
Faragism vs Thatcherism, which one wins?
Original post by MatureStudent36
Do you not think the massive influx of immigrants had an impact on housing?


No not really. There had been immigration before and after she had been in power and there had never been such a huge housing shortage. She allowed people to buy but didn't replenish the stock which created a huge housing shortage and led to the highest number of homeless people we've ever had.
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Original post by MatureStudent36
No it won't. The vast majority of the electorate are happy and content. I
Like most am looking back at this financial crash and austerity and realise that it started off with a massive reduction in my mortgage due to the drop in interest rates and its finishing off with petrol cheaper than its been for donkeys years.

Socialism died in the UK when the electorate realised IT didn't work in the late 90s. It's been dieing off ever since only supportd by loud, shouty minorities.


Oil prices falling is a global phenomenon, funny how the Conservatives are trying to appropriate it as their own success. It's largely down to reduced demand in other areas of the world.

I'm not sure why you've boxed off socialism like it's a clear ideology with guidelines. It isn't a matter of yes or no, it's a continuum. The fact we have an NHS, state schools, hospitals etc proves elements of socialism is still very much alive.
But I notice how you like to throw it about like it's a dirty word. It certainly does work, if done properly.
Original post by Bornblue
No not really. There had been immigration before and after she had been in power and there had never been such a huge housing shortage. She allowed people to buy but didn't replenish the stock which created a huge housing shortage and led to the highest number of homeless people we've ever had.


You're right. There has been immigration before, but never at the levels we've seen recently. So just a thought that linking the council house sell off in the 80 yo the mass immigration of the late 90s may have somethjng to do with a geographically located housing shorthage we see in the uk now.
Original post by MatureStudent36
You're right. There has been immigration before, but never at the levels we've seen recently. So just a thought that linking the council house sell off in the 80 yo the mass immigration of the late 90s may have somethjng to do with a geographically located housing shorthage we see in the uk now.


Has immigration had an impact on the housing shortage in the UK? Yes.

Has it had as much an affect as continued low house building, especially in the public sector? Probably not. Worth noting that there still hasn't been a significant up turn in housing starts or completions, poor forecasting cannot be an excuse 11 years after A8 nations joined the EU.
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Original post by mojojojo101
Has immigration had an impact on the housing shortage in the UK? Yes.

Has it had as much an affect as continued low house building, especially in the public sector? Probably not. Worth noting that there still hasn't been a significant up turn in housing starts or completions, poor forecasting cannot be an excuse 11 years after A8 nations joined the EU.


There was record immigration recently. Nobody predicted, or was willing to predict the immigration numbers exepcted.

The hiding shortage is localised to London. There nowhere really left to build in London.
Mousing shortages are a result of a multitude of reasons. Demand, lifestyle changes, investment, planning regulations.

Blaming it on a political decision 30 years ago is lazy.
Original post by MatureStudent36
There was record immigration recently. Nobody predicted, or was willing to predict the immigration numbers exepcted.

The hiding shortage is localised to London. There nowhere really left to build in London.
Mousing shortages are a result of a multitude of reasons. Demand, lifestyle changes, investment, planning regulations.

Blaming it on a political decision 30 years ago is lazy.


Recently as in the past 10 years, at no point have governments in that time significantly increased house building. It doesn't take 11 years to build a house.

I don't blame Thatchers policy alone, but its legacy has had a significant impact. On the amount of social housing stock available, future political decisions and the 'Englishmans Castle' thing.
Original post by mojojojo101
Recently as in the past 10 years, at no point have governments in that time significantly increased house building. It doesn't take 11 years to build a house.

I don't blame Thatchers policy alone, but its legacy has had a significant impact. On the amount of social housing stock available, future political decisions and the 'Englishmans Castle' thing.


Explain again why I'm paying for houses to be built?

whats yiur take on environmentalists lobbying against building in green belt land?
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Greatest PM of the 20th century.
Saved Britain from economic collapse and social upheaval.
Original post by mojojojo101
Recently as in the past 10 years, at no point have governments in that time significantly increased house building. It doesn't take 11 years to build a house.

I don't blame Thatchers policy alone, but its legacy has had a significant impact. On the amount of social housing stock available, future political decisions and the 'Englishmans Castle' thing.


Unfortunately the shortage in private house building is probably down to the fact that the free market does not like the current planning system. Spending 2 years to get a planning application through and having to avoid certain pretty field even if they are near existing roads ect.. means that the private sector simply can't meet demand. So Thatcher was wrong not to have state replacement although we live in hope that a future government will so long as they retain the right to buy of course.
Original post by MatureStudent36

Blaming it on a political decision 30 years ago is lazy.


Blaming it on immigrants is far more lazy. Leave that to UKIP and the Daily Mail.
Original post by Bornblue
Blaming it on immigrants is far more lazy. Leave that to UKIP and the Daily Mail.


No it's not. Immigration is one of several factors. Other factors include increasing life expectancy, changing social standards, changes to planning permission.
Original post by MatureStudent36
No it's not. Immigration is one of several factors. Other factors include increasing life expectancy, changing social standards, changes to planning permission.


And most of all, not replenishing the stock which led to a huge housing shortage.
Original post by Quady
Are you a wet?


ahhh history jokes hehehe :wink:
Original post by Bornblue
And most of all, not replenishing the stock which led to a huge housing shortage.


So the 9 million increase in population, or 15% , increase in population had no impact whatsoever, most of which has occurred in the already densely populated, unable to expand on SE?

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