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Why do women need so much from a relationship compared to men?

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Original post by SerenityNow
Nobody has to know what gender you are, even in online games. Without the ''attached stigma'', do you think there would be millions of young women gagging to headshot another player and teabag him? And I was talking about single player PC games. What do you think made the sims such a huge franchise? Women buyers have turned it into the 3rd biggest franchise of all time. Why don't women like simcity instead?


Because that's what their told to like. It's the same reason men don't go around buying pink suits for every-day business. Now, I concede, men probably do find black suits look better, however my point is that is their finding black suits to look better caused by innate physiological properties of man's brains, or is it caused by some sort of socialisation? 90% sure it's the latter. Same applies to women and their recreational preferences.

And it is precisely for this reason why the insistence that women and men have totally different desires, preferences and so on that sexism persists. I have no idea why people think male and female are so different. Look at the physiology, there's not much that would impact the way people think. A couple of hormones don't change what one wants out of life.

If socialisation via gender was not a thing, which quite clearly it very very much is, then yes I think thousands of girls would be lining up to headshot their mates, do 360s and tea-bag them for hours each day, yup. Although, I do think doing all that is encouraged by the concept of masculinity too - males are told to be assertive and competitive, hence tea-bagging and skill-shotting. You get the point though right?

Of course nobody has to know you're doing something in order for you to feel guilty about it. Imagine you love to cross-dress, you get great pleasure from it. Society says you shouldn't do it. You feel shame when you do it. Why do you feel shame if it doesn't physical pain you or detriment you in anyway if nobody knows? Nobody has to know though - you'll still feel shame because you've internalised these ideas about what you, as a male, should and shouldn't do. Same applies to females when ti comes to playing violent video games, or just competitive sports/e-sports in general.
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Either OP is a mysoganist or he's a troll taking advantage of the fact that apparently all the feminists come at you on here. Look at all the threads he's made. Go to school OP.
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Disagree. If all I had in a relationship was food, sex and quiet, I'd still be dissatisfied.

I'm willing to believe there's a disparity between what men and women typically want from relationships though.
Original post by молодой гений
There's this thing called birth control, and there's also this thing called having sex while pregnant.

The guy you quoted has a point. The clit is, like, the only body part / organ whatever, the only purpose of which is to give pleasure to women.

Whereas when guys cum, it's just for baby-making purposes.

Therefore, ~*biologically*~, women should be the promiscuous ones.

Your argument is ridiculous.


His argument is the generally scientifically accepted model for why men tend to be more promiscuous than women. A man that impregnates many women tends to have more children, and hence alleles that produce promiscuity in men are selected for and will spread through a population. A woman who has sex often, with many men, can only have a child every year or so anyway, and that child then must be raised and nurtured. By the time the baby is born, the woman is already highly invested in it - she has used up a ton of energy throughout its embryonic development and during childbirth. That energy is wasted if the child then dies from lack of parental involvement. Hence, it makes more evolutionary sense for a woman to find a man who will help her raise the child, giving it a better chance of surviving to sexual maturity. Hence, men and women in the ancestral environment wanted different things from a relationship - men would have wanted sex with many women, and women would have wanted men who would stay with her, help her raise the child, and not leave her holding the baby. Alleles that produced these behaviours would have been selected for, and many would still be present in our gene pool.

Note well - I am not saying that such exploitative, promiscuous behaviour on the part of men is acceptable or moral in today's society - merely that it would have been evolutionarily favourable in the ancestral environment.
While i'd add that i want a female who can form an opinion on most things (nothing worse than a blank 'don't know') and one that will largely do as i say.. OP is not wrong.

As alluded to, the question is whether this is driven by nature or nurture.
Original post by Kabloomybuzz
healthy relationships require communication, if you struggle to even talk to the person you've commited to spending your life with, perhaps you need to ask yourself whether you're mature enough to have a relationship like that. If this is your mindset, I think probably not. If all you want from a woman is sex, go find that, don't expect a commitment from their side and not be willing to give anything back.


not necessarily, it could be the other person is at fault here. It may be hard to communicate with them, they may not listen, they may over ride what your trying to say with something about themselves. It doesn instinctively fall into one person is too immature

Though that just begs the question of why your with them then,

But i agree if all he wants is sex, he shouldnt be looking for a commited relationship.
Original post by somethingbeautiful
It's biological. A woman needs a loyal/caring/strong male to help take care of/raise a child. The male just needs a sperm depository - and they don't need one, biologically it probably makes sense to have many.


Please send me your scientific evidence for this theory

People need to realise that not all men just use women for sex and not all women are desperate for men. In fact some men are desperate for love and attention and some women actually use men just for sex and food. I think the media paints this picture well (this is sarcasm) though, the stereotype of men and women.
Original post by beyknowles
Please send me your scientific evidence for this theory

People need to realise that not all men just use women for sex and not all women are desperate for men. In fact some men are desperate for love and attention and some women actually use men just for sex and food. I think the media paints this picture well (this is sarcasm) though, the stereotype of men and women.


It's actually a pretty robust scientific theory in the field of evolutionary genetics. For the process of spreading one's genes, it pays for the male to be sexually promiscuous, but for the female to be selective in who she mates with. See this guy's earlier post:

Original post by anosmianAcrimony
His argument is the generally scientifically accepted model for why men tend to be more promiscuous than women. A man that impregnates many women tends to have more children, and hence alleles that produce promiscuity in men are selected for and will spread through a population. A woman who has sex often, with many men, can only have a child every year or so anyway, and that child then must be raised and nurtured. By the time the baby is born, the woman is already highly invested in it - she has used up a ton of energy throughout its embryonic development and during childbirth. That energy is wasted if the child then dies from lack of parental involvement. Hence, it makes more evolutionary sense for a woman to find a man who will help her raise the child, giving it a better chance of surviving to sexual maturity. Hence, men and women in the ancestral environment wanted different things from a relationship - men would have wanted sex with many women, and women would have wanted men who would stay with her, help her raise the child, and not leave her holding the baby. Alleles that produced these behaviours would have been selected for, and many would still be present in our gene pool.

Note well - I am not saying that such exploitative, promiscuous behaviour on the part of men is acceptable or moral in today's society - merely that it would have been evolutionarily favourable in the ancestral environment.
Original post by beyknowles
some women actually use men just for sex and food


Guilty as charged
Original post by молодой гений
Guilty as charged


WTF? You a mantis?
We need validation that we are loved, maybe?
I wouldn't enter a relationship much less get married to someone who I didn't feel I could talk to about anything. I don't know why some women put up with it.
Original post by anosmianAcrimony
His argument is the generally scientifically accepted model for why men tend to be more promiscuous than women. A man that impregnates many women tends to have more children, and hence alleles that produce promiscuity in men are selected for and will spread through a population. A woman who has sex often, with many men, can only have a child every year or so anyway, and that child then must be raised and nurtured. By the time the baby is born, the woman is already highly invested in it - she has used up a ton of energy throughout its embryonic development and during childbirth. That energy is wasted if the child then dies from lack of parental involvement. Hence, it makes more evolutionary sense for a woman to find a man who will help her raise the child, giving it a better chance of surviving to sexual maturity. Hence, men and women in the ancestral environment wanted different things from a relationship - men would have wanted sex with many women, and women would have wanted men who would stay with her, help her raise the child, and not leave her holding the baby. Alleles that produced these behaviours would have been selected for, and many would still be present in our gene pool.

Note well - I am not saying that such exploitative, promiscuous behaviour on the part of men is acceptable or moral in today's society - merely that it would have been evolutionarily favourable in the ancestral environment.


Surely in the real world, men have plenty of incentives to look after their children.

Who is going to look after them in their old age if they haven't maintained a close relationship with their children? In the past when a lot more women died in childbirth , men might have been even more reliant on their children than now.

Sperm competition presumably illustrates that women have traditionally, had plenty of partners.

Most of our history is the history of roving small bands. All the members of which would have had enormous concern with seeing that children were looked after for the benefit of the group as a whole.
Original post by JohnnytheFox
It's actually a pretty robust scientific theory in the field of evolutionary genetics. For the process of spreading one's genes, it pays for the male to be sexually promiscuous, but for the female to be selective in who she mates with. See this guy's earlier post:


Such theories are about as scientific as psychoanalysis, is that not obvious to anyone else?
They watch too much disney movies
Because most women are whiny and needy and think they're worth all that, when in fact a lot of them are worthless (not all). Society has conditioned women to behave in this way. Mass media, TV and film depict women as queens and princesses who must be treated as such, that they must always be showered with attention and unique displays of romance and selfless acts of dedication. So you can blame decades of conditioning and brainwashing by the media and cinema. Frankly it's ridiculous. Women have become so bitchy and annoying ad a result, and it's made it very difficult for men.

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Original post by TorpidPhil
Such theories are about as scientific as psychoanalysis, is that not obvious to anyone else?


Right. Despite such behaviour being observed in almost all sexually dimorphic animal species on Earth, from insects to mammals. While human sexuality has evolved far beyond simply a means to procreate, there's no doubt millions of years of sexual selection has played a significant role in how sex is viewed in modern society.
Original post by JohnnytheFox
Right. Despite such behaviour being observed in almost all sexually dimorphic animal species on Earth, from insects to mammals. While human sexuality has evolved far beyond simply a means to procreate, there's no doubt millions of years of sexual selection has played a significant role in how sex is viewed in modern society.


It's just conjecture with no proof. There's no way to tell whether or not such primitive instincts count for 50% of our current conception of sexuality or 2%.
Original post by молодой гений
Guilty as charged

fair play to you lol! I would never let this happen to me though, you have to be blind not to notice it
Original post by TorpidPhil
Sooooooo not true.

If we go by that pathetic logic women would be just as promiscuous as men, if not more


I would disagree: look up Bateman's Principle in biology.

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