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Why do women need so much from a relationship compared to men?

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Original post by beyknowles
fair play to you lol! I would never let this happen to me though, you have to be blind not to notice it


Haha dw, it's a mutual agreement :wink: it's just unfair otherwise
Original post by Icebaker
Because most women are whiny and needy and think they're worth all that, when in fact a lot of them are worthless (not all). Society has conditioned women to behave in this way. Mass media, TV and film depict women as queens and princesses who must be treated as such, that they must always be showered with attention and unique displays of romance and selfless acts of dedication. So you can blame decades of conditioning and brainwashing by the media and cinema. Frankly it's ridiculous. Women have become so bitchy and annoying ad a result, and it's made it very difficult for men.

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Lol, and you think men are a piece of cake to put up with?
Original post by молодой гений
Lol, and you think men are a piece of cake to put up with?

!! Other males need to realise that they're just as needy but in different ways, a lot of men are ***** for women to put up with
Original post by молодой гений
Charming.

If that's how it is, then tbh all I need from men, as a female, is their dick to act as a warm strap on.



Christ, I hope you never get married.

If you do, please tell your fiancée all this so she knows what she's getting into.


I'm actually female and I have no intention of ever getting married. Thanks anyway :smile:.
I don't think it's exactly unreasonable for a woman to expect to have a connection on insane levels with the person she's married to? Ya know the whole spending the rest of life (presumeably) with someone you're going to want to get along pretty well...
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Men are men and Women are women, a woman wants to be shown affection and know that she is loved and appreciated. A man wants to have someone to look after him and cater to his needs.
Original post by somethingbeautiful
I'm actually female and I have no intention of ever getting married. Thanks anyway :smile:.


I love how everyone automatically assumed you were male from your comment

:lol:
Women are fragile creatures who need continuous love and affection to blossom and we are usually the ones to give love in abundance as opposed to men
Original post by R Dragon
Man, this is just too generalising.... I don't think it's really as you describe

Ikr, so much generalising :facepalm:
Original post by queen-bee
Women are fragile creatures who need continuous love and affection to blossom and we are usually the ones to give love in abundance as opposed to men


Maybe secretly you're the only one that's fragile and needy

:fyi:
Original post by R Dragon
Maybe secretly you're the only one that's fragile and needy

:fyi:


Sure sure
Naturally it varies between women, but this is my take (as a woman who is often described by their friends as being unusually blunt/unconventional in their thinking):

The role of women in society has changed dramatically in a short period of time. 60/70 years ago it was to be a good dutiful wife and look after the kids. Gender equality etc has caused a backlash against this kind of thinking (understandably so) but in the desperation to overcome historical obstacles it has gone too far the other way with women still proclaiming they are "oppressed" when they actually hold equality or even advantage vs men in most areas now. Combine this general attitude of victimhood with the fact that society generally has become more materialistic and self centred and you get a selfish, obsessively closed minded attitude that increasing numbers of young women have. In this attitude everything is about how THEY feel, what THEY are entitled to and how badly THEY are being treated vs the "model" version of a relationship the media/television/wider popular culture tries to portray. This manifests itself in many of the ways people have explored in this thread, and I imagine pisses many guys off to no end.

This attitude has not really infected young men in my view (they have their own issues which I will not go into here) but who knows what the future holds.
OP I think you're describing my bf and he's the best bf I've ever had. And OP you come across as a sexist p**
Original post by Advanced Subsidiary
I love how everyone automatically assumed you were male from your comment

:lol:


I know, it made me smile :biggrin:
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Original post by Hanya Pouncey
You are in a dream world and have made men sound like utter pigs.
Very few men? I dunno where you've got these men from, but when a man actually wants a proper relationship with someone they don't want a woman about as interesting a brick wall. And if they don't want to converse and instead have sex all the time, they can easily find that elsewhere without having the burden of a 'nagging, chatty woman'. If I didn't have banter or even speak to my boyfriend about topics of our interest I highly doubt he would be with me. Nobody wants a boring partner whether you're a man or a woman.
LOOL knight in shining armour, there's no 'perfect match', I've only heard of those in fairytales mate. We're not all that deluded. I admit some women can expect quite a bit. But let's not forget that some men also have a long list of superficial expectations from women.

A man list is nothing compared to a woman's list, are women not superficial themselves ?:rolleyes:
Because women have evolved a complex mentality that I cant possibly explain. This mentality gives them substantial psychological endurance which is kind of required for coping with motherhood. Unfortunately as a side effect they require more maintenance.
Us men dont require much. A beer and an ability to understand the off side rule doesnt require a hole lot of effort.
Original post by SerenityNow
'' We never talk anymore'', ''we don't go out'', ''he doesn't say I love you as often as before'', ''he doesn't listen'', ''he doesn't ask about my day'', '' he doesn't notice my new hair do'', '' doesn't compliment me'', ''he's playing with his phone when he comes home'' and 3000 other complaints. Most men are more than happy with sex, food and the wife not talking too much. This is why a lot of men are often shocked when the wife announces she wants a divorce, from their side the relationship seems just fine. So why do women have about 3000 relationship needs while men have about 3? Why do they need this ''connection'' at almost nanometric levels?


From an evolutionary standpoint, one could speculate that all men want a relationship for is sex. While women have a whole host of complex things they want in a relationship.
Original post by Kabloomybuzz
You could have the latter two without being in a relationship, if you only want sex, why bother persuing a long term relationship? You can't expect to be with someone for the long haul and expect them to be OK with you treating them like a piece of meat. One assumes the type of men you're referring to doesn't sit with his friends in silence or wish they wouldn't talk to much or that they don't have any social life outside of their partner because socialising with other people doesn't involve sex.

healthy relationships require communication, if you struggle to even talk to the person you've commited to spending your life with, perhaps you need to ask yourself whether you're mature enough to have a relationship like that. If this is your mindset, I think probably not. If all you want from a woman is sex, go find that, don't expect a commitment from their side and not be willing to give anything back.


How unrealistic of you to ask men to just sex women. Obviously, that strategy did not work for many males across many species. The idea seems to be that female reproductive strategies made men's "sex around" strategy to become ineffective. In order for a male to ensure the maximum chances of survival for his offspring under the current female reproductive strategy, the male has to stay around with the female cuz some vicious animals are happy with killing the offspring of their rivals and then sexing the mother. This a rough guide to one of the most popular explanations of the evolution of female and male reproductive strategies (talking about mammals here). More info, check Trivers. He is good.

Using the above background, until very recently there was societal pressure for women not to have sex unless they were married (let alone in a relationship). Under the use of labels such as "bitch", "slut" and "slag", pressure is still made on women to avoid having sex unless they are in a relationship. Meaning that the average man is not very likely to have regular non-strings sex with females because of the idea that sex is part of a package that comes with a relationship. While women nowadays have regular sex outside marriage, I would expect that most of them still have sex inside a relationship. So for a male, the only way to increase the chances to have a steady supply of sex is pursuing a relationship. Once you have a relationship, and if you don't have what is called "morals", you can have sex from a relationship and secretly pursuing sex with other females, because the drive is to have sex with as many as you can. This is very well evidenced in males from a certain species with a short mating period.
Original post by молодой гений
Charming.

If that's how it is, then tbh all I need from men, as a female, is their dick to act as a warm strap on.



Christ, I hope you never get married.

If you do, please tell your fiancée all this so she knows what she's getting into.


He is talking about the evolution of female and male reproductive strategies. And in that sense, he is right. It explains the core interest in the average male even if he decides to enter a relationship. The average female's core interest is to provide a safe environment for the child (i.e. a relationship). Not talking just about humans here, btw. Since everything we do has been shaped by these evolutionary behaviour it makes sense that you can see an obvious difference between the stuff men and women want from a relationship on average. Obviously, outliers exist but we are talking about the average because most individuals will be somewhere more or less close to it.
Original post by молодой гений
1.There's this thing called birth control, and there's also this thing called having sex while pregnant.

The guy you quoted has a point. 2.The clit is, like, the only body part / organ whatever, the only purpose of which is to give pleasure to women.

3. Whereas when guys cum, it's just for baby-making purposes.

4.Therefore, ~*biologically*~, women should be the promiscuous ones.

Your argument is ridiculous.


1. Birth control is a new thing. Evolution has had millions of years to shape our behaviour.

2. One could speculate that it makes women seek sex but not necessarily with anyone.

3. Technically, ejaculation an orgasm are roughly correlated. So male would just need the desire to experience an orgasm while engaging in coitus.

4. As it has been pointed out, the female reproductive strategy is more complex than men's. While engaging in sex is a core interest of both males and females, there are still factors of fitness that are different to males and females across species and that are used when it comes to big question: to mate or not to mate.

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