Primary school in North London bans all Pork
http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/education/ban_on_pork_in_islington_s_primary_schools_1_3952909
The Great British banger is off the menu for Islington children as pork has been banned in all the borough’s primary schools.
Islington Council has been criticised by the pork industry for refusing to dish up chops, sausages and bacon to youngsters, although the meat is served in secondary schools.
Despite pork being a cheap meat, the council claims it is too expensive to serve because the authority has to monitor what every child eats in case those whose cultural or religious beliefs forbid pork, eat it by accident.
Chris Godfrey, from the 100-year-old Godfrey’s butchers in Highbury Park, said: “I feel quite strongly about this.
“I don’t really feel we should pander too much to other religions. It’s not a bad thing to show consideration, but that shouldn’t restrict the choice of everyone else.
“The kids deserve to have a choice. I don’t think this helps anyone.”
Dr Zoe Davies, chief executive of the National Pig Association, said: “This is something we are particularity concerned about.
“It’s something we have heard of but we wouldn’t say it’s common. It tends to happen in areas where there are large numbers of children from, for example, a Muslim background who wouldn’t eat pork.”
What are your opinions on this?
The Great British banger is off the menu for Islington children as pork has been banned in all the borough’s primary schools.
Islington Council has been criticised by the pork industry for refusing to dish up chops, sausages and bacon to youngsters, although the meat is served in secondary schools.
Despite pork being a cheap meat, the council claims it is too expensive to serve because the authority has to monitor what every child eats in case those whose cultural or religious beliefs forbid pork, eat it by accident.
Chris Godfrey, from the 100-year-old Godfrey’s butchers in Highbury Park, said: “I feel quite strongly about this.
“I don’t really feel we should pander too much to other religions. It’s not a bad thing to show consideration, but that shouldn’t restrict the choice of everyone else.
“The kids deserve to have a choice. I don’t think this helps anyone.”
Dr Zoe Davies, chief executive of the National Pig Association, said: “This is something we are particularity concerned about.
“It’s something we have heard of but we wouldn’t say it’s common. It tends to happen in areas where there are large numbers of children from, for example, a Muslim background who wouldn’t eat pork.”
What are your opinions on this?
(edited 9 years ago)
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Why should we the majority in our own country care about appeasing the appetites of ethnic minority Muslims!
That is their choice to be Muslim this is our ancestral homeland and they should bend over backwards to accommodate our culture and values not vice versa
That is their choice to be Muslim this is our ancestral homeland and they should bend over backwards to accommodate our culture and values not vice versa
Original post by Native To Europe
Why should we the majority in our own country care about appeasing the appetites of ethnic minority Muslims!
That is their choice to be Muslim this is our ancestral homeland and they should bend over backwards to accommodate our culture and values not vice versa
That is their choice to be Muslim this is our ancestral homeland and they should bend over backwards to accommodate our culture and values not vice versa
This kind of attitude is perhaps the most problematic thing with something like this. The fact that extreme individuals like this person acts as if he is 'bending over backwards' like the slaves in colonial times did, if pork is banned. I'm sure you didn't happen to see what happened back in those times, so I think it's slightly embarrassing that you act as though you have a rough deal as a result of immigrants coming in. Countless immigrants have come in to help fill gaps in skilled labour, especially outside of Europe where you need to meet certain criteria of specialism to come in. But obviously your backwards *** won't consider any of that. I do hope you have contributed something to your 'ancestral homeland' because I know many immigrants who have most likely contributed a hell of a lot more than you are.
While I strongly disagree with banning pork, surely the right approach would be to politely complain. In terms of hindering people who are so desperate to eat pork in that one meal at lunch time, the practical implications are minimal so acting as though you're freedom has been taken and you're being whipped into manual slave labour, stripped of all your resources and treated like the third class citizen is incredibly cringe-worthy and ironic given the history I'm referring to not being so long gone.
In these schools, the vast majority of children are practicing Muslims, whilst the others probably do not have a major problem with this. In India when Muslims and Hindus coexisted, Muslims didn't bother with beef and Hindus didn't bother with pork, out of respect for the other religion! This still stands in the region today.
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Original post by ZolaCFC25
This kind of attitude is perhaps the most problematic thing with something like this. The fact that extreme individuals like this person acts as if he is 'bending over backwards' like the slaves in colonial times did, if pork is banned. I'm sure you didn't happen to see what happened back in those times, so I think it's slightly embarrassing that you act as though you have a rough deal as a result of immigrants coming in. Countless immigrants have come in to help fill gaps in skilled labour, especially outside of Europe where you need to meet certain criteria of specialism to come in. But obviously your backwards *** won't consider any of that. I do hope you have contributed something to your 'ancestral homeland' because I know many immigrants who have most likely contributed a hell of a lot more than you are.
While I strongly disagree with banning pork, surely the right approach would be to politely complain. In terms of hindering people who are so desperate to eat pork in that one meal at lunch time, the practical implications are minimal so acting as though you're freedom has been taken and you're being whipped into manual slave labour, stripped of all your resources and treated like the third class citizen is incredibly cringe-worthy and ironic given the history I'm referring to not being so long gone.
In these schools, the vast majority of children are practicing Muslims, whilst the others probably do not have a major problem with this. In India when Muslims and Hindus coexisted, Muslims didn't bother with beef and Hindus didn't bother with pork, out of respect for the other religion! This still stands in the region today.
While I strongly disagree with banning pork, surely the right approach would be to politely complain. In terms of hindering people who are so desperate to eat pork in that one meal at lunch time, the practical implications are minimal so acting as though you're freedom has been taken and you're being whipped into manual slave labour, stripped of all your resources and treated like the third class citizen is incredibly cringe-worthy and ironic given the history I'm referring to not being so long gone.
In these schools, the vast majority of children are practicing Muslims, whilst the others probably do not have a major problem with this. In India when Muslims and Hindus coexisted, Muslims didn't bother with beef and Hindus didn't bother with pork, out of respect for the other religion! This still stands in the region today.
I have no interest in your sentiments and immigrants should be grateful to the Native Europeans who allow them to settle here not the other way around
Original post by ZolaCFC25
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While you have a valid point, the phrase "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" comes to mind. Regardless of a persons' personal beliefs, migrating to another country then expecting them to change their way of doing things to benefit you is both selfish and inconsiderate.
As someone else said, if you think your child is at risk of eating pork then make them a packed lunch. To make pork unavailable for everyone because of arbitrary religious beliefs is ridiculous.
I hatee religion
Original post by ZolaCFC25
In these schools, the vast majority of children are practicing Muslims, whilst the others probably do not have a major problem with this. In India when Muslims and Hindus coexisted, Muslims didn't bother with beef and Hindus didn't bother with pork, out of respect for the other religion! This still stands in the region today.
That argument worked so well up until the Mutiny.
pathetic, beta britain at it again
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Original post by Drunk Punx
While you have a valid point, the phrase "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" comes to mind. Regardless of a persons' personal beliefs, migrating to another country then expecting them to change their way of doing things to benefit you is both selfish and inconsiderate.
As someone else said, if you think your child is at risk of eating pork then make them a packed lunch. To make pork unavailable for everyone because of arbitrary religious beliefs is ridiculous.
As someone else said, if you think your child is at risk of eating pork then make them a packed lunch. To make pork unavailable for everyone because of arbitrary religious beliefs is ridiculous.
Not sure how this responds to what I said... I said I strongly opposed making pork unavailable for those who want it.
Original post by Clip
That argument worked so well up until the Mutiny.
How? The last bit highlights the growing intolerance we have in response to ridiculous media coverage and Islamophobia. The problem people have is that of Muslims, not the food. In reality, it's not a big issue although I still oppose it. It's not life and death, no matter how much a kid loves his ham sandwich or bacon sarnie ESPECIALLY since we arrogantly claim our British values of tolerance and respect prevail, when in reality they don't exist that much.
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Original post by Native To Europe
I have no interest in your sentiments and immigrants should be grateful to the Native Europeans who allow them to settle here not the other way around
Sorry, I forgot you were here before them. My apologies big man.
Original post by ZolaCFC25
Not sure how this responds to what I said... I said I strongly opposed making pork unavailable for those who want it.
I reiterated what the guy you initially quoted had said and got rid of the vague xenophobia
At least, I assume that's what he meant. He might just be racist *shrugs*
Original post by Drunk Punx
I reiterated what the guy you initially quoted had said and got rid of the vague xenophobia
At least, I assume that's what he meant. He might just be racist *shrugs*
At least, I assume that's what he meant. He might just be racist *shrugs*
I think his views are a bit obvious. It's wrong to dismiss any xenophobia as vague and thus somewhat acceptable as well to be honest.
Original post by ZolaCFC25
I think his views are a bit obvious. It's wrong to dismiss any xenophobia as vague and thus somewhat acceptable as well to be honest.
By "vague" I meant "thinly concealed". Very thinly. Wafer thin, some may say.
Original post by ZolaCFC25
How? The last bit highlights the growing intolerance we have in response to ridiculous media coverage and Islamophobia. The problem people have is that of Muslims, not the food. In reality, it's not a big issue although I still oppose it. It's not life and death, no matter how much a kid loves his ham sandwich or bacon sarnie ESPECIALLY since we arrogantly claim our British values of tolerance and respect prevail, when in reality they don't exist that much.
How? The last bit highlights the growing intolerance we have in response to ridiculous media coverage and Islamophobia. The problem people have is that of Muslims, not the food. In reality, it's not a big issue although I still oppose it. It's not life and death, no matter how much a kid loves his ham sandwich or bacon sarnie ESPECIALLY since we arrogantly claim our British values of tolerance and respect prevail, when in reality they don't exist that much.
Britain is exceptionally tolerant, especially relative to almost all countries- especially those outside Europe.
Original post by ZolaCFC25
The problem people have is that of Muslims, not the food.
Then they shouldn't have pork banned.
Original post by ZolaCFC25
In India when Muslims and Hindus coexisted, Muslims didn't bother with beef and Hindus didn't bother with pork, out of respect for the other religion! This still stands in the region today.
Wrong, beef is eaten by muslims in many of the states with large populations, unfortunately.
Hmm is it really that difficult to let the Muslim children know what is pork and thus what not to have? I mean I imagine since schools vary dinners that pork sausages say, would only be once a week. So for that day have the chicken option and let Muslim kids know they should choose chicken or vegetarian.
Btw on the issue of accidentally eating it, I was under the impression the Qu'ran outlines that you haven't done something Haram in eating Pork if you genuinely didn't know it was Pork or had no other choice of food available to you? (albeit I assume it's more starve or eat pork, but still).
Btw on the issue of accidentally eating it, I was under the impression the Qu'ran outlines that you haven't done something Haram in eating Pork if you genuinely didn't know it was Pork or had no other choice of food available to you? (albeit I assume it's more starve or eat pork, but still).
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