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Msc in Information Technology / Information Systems

Hello friends,

I'm in need of some advice. I've been running my own business for a few years, in construction, real estate development and hotel management. So this is quite a switch. And I'm out of touch with the whole Uni thing.

I'm planning to wind up my business and do a one year Masters in IT / IS, in the UK, to break in to the industry.

I was hoping to get some advice on courses and cities that are strongly recommended by you folks out here. I'm looking to get a quality education and be in a city with plenty of job opportunities.

As far as education goes, I did my IGCSE's in 2000, A-Levels in 2002, both outside the UK, and then completed a B.B.A in Finance from the U.S in 2006.

Career wise I'm looking to get into one of those technology / business fusion roles, such as Business Analyst, Project Management, Product Management etc, whatever really. But as it's not too technical like hardcore Software Engineering and such.

Any advice is welcome.

Keep in mind that I'll be coming to the U.K as an International Student which means that I don't want to end up anywhere too remote. And that I'll need a work visa, which means that I should be graduating from a decent Uni and have plenty of opportunity, while studying, to meet enough recruiters and companies to get my job and visa situation sorted out.

Thanks for reading!
Reply 1
Original post by dongoffe
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Hey,

While I don't know a lot about this degree in particular, I figured I could give you a good place to start.

Here is the 2015 university league tables for computer science & IT systems. Take it with a grain of salt however as the league rankings aren't everything. In your case my main priority would be choosing a course that creates good industry-ready students.

Do you have any idea of where you'd like to live? London is the obvious choice down South, but it's pretty expensive. Up north I'd definitely recommend Manchester (love living here), there's also Birmingham (didn't like it so much, but personal opinion) and then there are mid-sized places like Leeds, York, etc. Even further up North there's places like Edinburgh, Newcastle, Glasgow etc. It would be beneficial to study in the same place as you'd like to work afterwards, as you may make valuable contacts during your studies.

Liverpool have an online IT course, in case you'd rather live somewhere else and study long distance. Nottingham is a respected uni and also has an IT MSc, it's a nice city to live in too. Glasgow , Lancaster, and York are well-ranked universities and also offer the Information Tech MSc. There's also Salford, who have the MediaCity link which might be good for job opportunities afterwards.

It seems to be a pretty common MSc so you're not limited as to where you can apply. Main things to consider:
- The price & scholarships (not sure if you're limited by money? especially as an international student -- it's expensive over here)
- Location & job opportunities (sometimes it might be better to choose a lower ranked uni with better industry partnerships than, say, a high ranked uni which has little involvement in industry, especially if you're hoping to quickly jump into a job afterwards)
- Placements? (as above, I've seen a few Msc courses that can be extended to 2 years with 1 year of placement - might be beneficial)
- Where you'd like to live afterwards (if you don't want to live in London, for example, it would probably be better to study elsewhere too)
- The course modules. They probably vary by university, so take a look and make your final decision based on the one that appeals to you the most

Bournemouth have a placement year in which students can work with companies such as Jaguar, Xerox, and Aston Martin. Stirling also mention that industry experience is gained through placements.

You might even want to consider degrees that are a little more 'specialised' if there's a particular job you want to go into. Exeter (also a notable university) has an MSc in Information Technology Management for Business, designed for 'preparing graduates who are highly sought after by industry'.

Your best bet might to do a google search with a bunch of keywords and browse what pops up. Decide what is most important for you, and make your choices based on that. I'm also applying for MSc courses related to computing (not the same as yours, but still related to computers :rolleyes:) and I based my decision on the strength of the industry links and the opportunity for placements, as my #1 priority is to get a job after completing the Masters.

Hope this helps & good luck!
Reply 2
Hey k3r0!

Thanks for the positive and informative reply. :smile:

The table is handy, thanks for sharing it. A lot of the Uni's in London that I was thinking about are at the bottom of that list which is a bit upsetting. But at the same time, I need to figure out if the advantage of being in London is going to offset that in any way.

I have yet to check out all the course links you've posted but they seem like a good place to start.

What program are you looking at, and what kind of career options are you considering thereafter?

Original post by k3ro
Hey,

While I don't know a lot about this degree in particular, I figured I could give you a good place to start.

Here is the 2015 university league tables for computer science & IT systems. Take it with a grain of salt however as the league rankings aren't everything. In your case my main priority would be choosing a course that creates good industry-ready students.

Do you have any idea of where you'd like to live? London is the obvious choice down South, but it's pretty expensive. Up north I'd definitely recommend Manchester (love living here), there's also Birmingham (didn't like it so much, but personal opinion) and then there are mid-sized places like Leeds, York, etc. Even further up North there's places like Edinburgh, Newcastle, Glasgow etc. It would be beneficial to study in the same place as you'd like to work afterwards, as you may make valuable contacts during your studies.

Liverpool have an online IT course, in case you'd rather live somewhere else and study long distance. Nottingham is a respected uni and also has an IT MSc, it's a nice city to live in too. Glasgow , Lancaster, and York are well-ranked universities and also offer the Information Tech MSc. There's also Salford, who have the MediaCity link which might be good for job opportunities afterwards.

It seems to be a pretty common MSc so you're not limited as to where you can apply. Main things to consider:
- The price & scholarships (not sure if you're limited by money? especially as an international student -- it's expensive over here)
- Location & job opportunities (sometimes it might be better to choose a lower ranked uni with better industry partnerships than, say, a high ranked uni which has little involvement in industry, especially if you're hoping to quickly jump into a job afterwards)
- Placements? (as above, I've seen a few Msc courses that can be extended to 2 years with 1 year of placement - might be beneficial)
- Where you'd like to live afterwards (if you don't want to live in London, for example, it would probably be better to study elsewhere too)
- The course modules. They probably vary by university, so take a look and make your final decision based on the one that appeals to you the most

Bournemouth have a placement year in which students can work with companies such as Jaguar, Xerox, and Aston Martin. Stirling also mention that industry experience is gained through placements.

You might even want to consider degrees that are a little more 'specialised' if there's a particular job you want to go into. Exeter (also a notable university) has an MSc in Information Technology Management for Business, designed for 'preparing graduates who are highly sought after by industry'.

Your best bet might to do a google search with a bunch of keywords and browse what pops up. Decide what is most important for you, and make your choices based on that. I'm also applying for MSc courses related to computing (not the same as yours, but still related to computers :rolleyes:) and I based my decision on the strength of the industry links and the opportunity for placements, as my #1 priority is to get a job after completing the Masters.

Hope this helps & good luck!
Reply 3
Original post by dongoffe
Hey k3r0!

Thanks for the positive and informative reply. :smile:

The table is handy, thanks for sharing it. A lot of the Uni's in London that I was thinking about are at the bottom of that list which is a bit upsetting. But at the same time, I need to figure out if the advantage of being in London is going to offset that in any way.

I have yet to check out all the course links you've posted but they seem like a good place to start.

What program are you looking at, and what kind of career options are you considering thereafter?


As I said, take the league table with a grain of salt. :smile: I'm only applying to 2-3 places and one of them is ranked at ~50, but I'm very positive about the course I'm applying for in particular and I'd absolutely love to go there.

I'm hoping to get a postgrad job as a programmer. I'd particularly like to work in the games industry so I'm looking at courses that have strong industry links with games companies. I've found two that are veeery promising and I'm v excited about -- so don't worry too much about the league table. Look at the course you're applying for and make a decision based on that.

The 'london advantage' is indeed a tough one. I have applied to Goldsmiths, in London, but I'm not actually particularly keen on the idea of living there. The living cost is high -- salaries tend to be higher too, but I feel like sometimes you make more money by living up North and having a lower salary. Plus, London is so busy. Walking anywhere drives me crazy (although I will say I've had work placements around Fleet Street and working there was actually pretty cool).

Which universities were you considering, if you don't mind me asking? :smile:
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Reply 4
To be honest I haven't really made a list of Unis yet. City, Kings, Middlesex all have Masters in IT courses. But I'll probably look outside London as well. I've heard Reading, Bristol and Southampton also have a decent Tech scene.

So do you already know how to program or are you going to Uni to learn it?
Reply 5
Original post by dongoffe
To be honest I haven't really made a list of Unis yet. City, Kings, Middlesex all have Masters in IT courses. But I'll probably look outside London as well. I've heard Reading, Bristol and Southampton also have a decent Tech scene.

So do you already know how to program or are you going to Uni to learn it?


I did physics as an undergrad degree so I gained basic computing knowledge from that. As for programming, I've been learning Python, C++ and C# in my free time. I contacted the course leaders beforehand and told them of my circumstances (that I didn't have a formal qualification in comp sci/programming) but they were all very positive and asked me to apply regardless. I think it helped that I've studied physics and so they knew I had a strong background in maths, which is important.

Oooh I like southampton a lot. :biggrin: Good luck with your applications!
Reply 6
Yeah, Physics is a highly respected degree and most departments would welcome a Physics student. How about the programming part, have you been able to pick it up via self study? I gave it a go but found that I didn't have the patience to grasp the basic concepts.
Reply 7
Original post by dongoffe
Yeah, Physics is a highly respected degree and most departments would welcome a Physics student. How about the programming part, have you been able to pick it up via self study? I gave it a go but found that I didn't have the patience to grasp the basic concepts.


I think I'm progressing well with the self-study. I'm using MOOC (massively open online courses) to learn; I'd definitely recommend taking a look at Coursera (my favourite), FutureLearn, or edX.

I will admit that it's an area I've always enjoyed though. I taught myself HTML/CSS when I was 13 'for fun', for example, so I'm very motivated to complete the courses. I've always been very independent when it came to studying, so maybe it's just my personal preference. You might need to work on your patience! :tongue: Perhaps the MOOC will help you as it feels like you're actually doing a 'course' (lectures, homework, assignments, certificate at the end) which may help motivate you.
Original post by k3ro
Hey,

While I don't know a lot about this degree in particular, I figured I could give you a good place to start.

Here is the 2015 university league tables for computer science & IT systems. Take it with a grain of salt however as the league rankings aren't everything. In your case my main priority would be choosing a course that creates good industry-ready students.

Do you have any idea of where you'd like to live? London is the obvious choice down South, but it's pretty expensive. Up north I'd definitely recommend Manchester (love living here), there's also Birmingham (didn't like it so much, but personal opinion) and then there are mid-sized places like Leeds, York, etc. Even further up North there's places like Edinburgh, Newcastle, Glasgow etc. It would be beneficial to study in the same place as you'd like to work afterwards, as you may make valuable contacts during your studies.

Liverpool have an online IT course, in case you'd rather live somewhere else and study long distance. Nottingham is a respected uni and also has an IT MSc, it's a nice city to live in too. Glasgow , Lancaster, and York are well-ranked universities and also offer the Information Tech MSc. There's also Salford, who have the MediaCity link which might be good for job opportunities afterwards.

It seems to be a pretty common MSc so you're not limited as to where you can apply. Main things to consider:
- The price & scholarships (not sure if you're limited by money? especially as an international student -- it's expensive over here)
- Location & job opportunities (sometimes it might be better to choose a lower ranked uni with better industry partnerships than, say, a high ranked uni which has little involvement in industry, especially if you're hoping to quickly jump into a job afterwards)
- Placements? (as above, I've seen a few Msc courses that can be extended to 2 years with 1 year of placement - might be beneficial)
- Where you'd like to live afterwards (if you don't want to live in London, for example, it would probably be better to study elsewhere too)
- The course modules. They probably vary by university, so take a look and make your final decision based on the one that appeals to you the most

Bournemouth have a placement year in which students can work with companies such as Jaguar, Xerox, and Aston Martin. Stirling also mention that industry experience is gained through placements.

You might even want to consider degrees that are a little more 'specialised' if there's a particular job you want to go into. Exeter (also a notable university) has an MSc in Information Technology Management for Business, designed for 'preparing graduates who are highly sought after by industry'.

Your best bet might to do a google search with a bunch of keywords and browse what pops up. Decide what is most important for you, and make your choices based on that. I'm also applying for MSc courses related to computing (not the same as yours, but still related to computers :rolleyes:) and I based my decision on the strength of the industry links and the opportunity for placements, as my #1 priority is to get a job after completing the Masters.

Hope this helps & good luck!


There is something about placements unis don't tell you. In most of the above cases, the placements are not guaranteed and the student has to apply for the placements themselves (the uni just let you know of opportunities) and in some cases you have to pay a placement fee for all the admin involved. Mentioning this to OP so that the absence or presence of placement in a course does not become a deal breaker. Because most unis have placement teams/offices anyway.
Original post by k3ro
As I said, take the league table with a grain of salt. :smile: I'm only applying to 2-3 places and one of them is ranked at ~50, but I'm very positive about the course I'm applying for in particular and I'd absolutely love to go there.

I'm hoping to get a postgrad job as a programmer. I'd particularly like to work in the games industry so I'm looking at courses that have strong industry links with games companies. I've found two that are veeery promising and I'm v excited about -- so don't worry too much about the league table. Look at the course you're applying for and make a decision based on that.

The 'london advantage' is indeed a tough one. I have applied to Goldsmiths, in London, but I'm not actually particularly keen on the idea of living there. The living cost is high -- salaries tend to be higher too, but I feel like sometimes you make more money by living up North and having a lower salary. Plus, London is so busy. Walking anywhere drives me crazy (although I will say I've had work placements around Fleet Street and working there was actually pretty cool).

Which universities were you considering, if you don't mind me asking? :smile:


What courses and which unis? :smile:
Reply 10
Original post by Juichiro
There is something about placements unis don't tell you. In most of the above cases, the placements are not guaranteed and the student has to apply for the placements themselves (the uni just let you know of opportunities) and in some cases you have to pay a placement fee for all the admin involved. Mentioning this to OP so that the absence or presence of placement in a course does not become a deal breaker. Because most unis have placement teams/offices anyway.


Thanks for the insight!

Original post by Juichiro
What courses and which unis? :smile:


Goldsmiths and Newcastle. Would be very happy to go to either of them.
Reply 11
Right, and a lot of it boils down to enjoyment, as you mentioned. When I was in my early teens, and experienced the world of Computers and Internet, I too was quite fascinated by it and started exploring its different aspects, i.e. playing games, messing around with DOS, tinkering with System Application, building Websites on Angelfire and Geocities, learning about hacking, ftp, IRC etc etc. In fact I still get nostalgic about those days. :smile:

But then as I got older I started getting interested in other things and therefore didn't keep up with world of technology. So nowadays I feel completely overwhelmed by the rapid pace of development this field has achieved. All this talk of Cloud, Big Data, Analytics, ERPs, Programming Paradigms, etc etc makes me feel like there a billion different things to learn. And I worry I'll constantly be playing catch up.

Of course all of that was fun kid stuff, and this is the world of corporations and professionals, so there is no doubt a difference.



Original post by k3ro
I think I'm progressing well with the self-study. I'm using MOOC (massively open online courses) to learn; I'd definitely recommend taking a look at Coursera (my favourite), FutureLearn, or edX.

I will admit that it's an area I've always enjoyed though. I taught myself HTML/CSS when I was 13 'for fun', for example, so I'm very motivated to complete the courses. I've always been very independent when it came to studying, so maybe it's just my personal preference. You might need to work on your patience! :tongue: Perhaps the MOOC will help you as it feels like you're actually doing a 'course' (lectures, homework, assignments, certificate at the end) which may help motivate you.
Reply 12
Original post by Juichiro
There is something about placements unis don't tell you. In most of the above cases, the placements are not guaranteed and the student has to apply for the placements themselves (the uni just let you know of opportunities) and in some cases you have to pay a placement fee for all the admin involved. Mentioning this to OP so that the absence or presence of placement in a course does not become a deal breaker. Because most unis have placement teams/offices anyway.


Thanks for the heads up. Placements are definitely important for me as an Inernational Student, because I'd like to work in the UK for at least a few years after graduation. It was easier until last year when you were allowed to stay on for two years on a Post Study Work visa, which meant that Companies didn't have to sponsor your visa. But now you're on your own.
If you're interested in this field, it might well be worth looking at City's courses. We have a very strong placement programme for students: while we do not guarantee a placement, the vast majority of students who actively seek a placement with the support of our professional liaison unit do get a good one.

We do have a variety of MScs, and it might be worth using them to consider what type of career track you're likely to want to follow after your studies. Some of these have comparable equivalents at other London universities such as QMUL or Kings.

First, there is the MSc in Business Systems Analysis and Design, which is targeted at getting students into systems analyst roles, designing and specifying large-scale business IT systems.

Second, there is the MSc in Information Systems which is primarily a preparation in a management or other lead role in IT departments (i.e. an 'operational' lead, rather than a 'change and development' lead that you'll find in the BSAD degree).

A final element would be the MSc in eBusiness Systems, which trains you for leading development teams, emphasising programming and other technical skills. It assumes no programming experience, but targets your skills around the creation of online systems, rather than a general spread of computer science knowledge.

If any of those flavours sound strongly more to your taste, I can give you further details. I am the Course Director for eBusiness Systems, but also am the Centre Director for the Human-Centred Systems work we do that examines how to make computer systems easier and more enjoyable to use.

George

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