If a Muslim man got on your bus...

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The US has attacked/pressurised/manipulated lots of these countries. These views are all due to politics.

Take Pakistan. 30 years ago the US collaborated with an unelected Islamist dictator to create the beginnings of the Taliban in one of their largest funding projects ever through Islamisation in madrassas, training and arming in order to fight the Soviets, subsequently creating a generation of terrorists to fight for jihad (resisting foreign occupation - something which the UN allows). Benazir Bhutto, the next elected leader of Pakistan told Bush sr that the US must stop these tactics as they are creating a Frankenstein... she was right.

The US forget about this entire infrastructure until 9/11, then give Pakistan an ultimatum which they cannot afford to lose. Drone attacks, a shift in 180 degree shift in tactics dealing with these ungoverned regions and the Taliban declared jihad on Pakistani people. 40,000 people killed through terrorism/drone attacks, a lack of sovereignty, $70 billion spent on military of which the US funds only $20 billion (blood aid) with huge debts so money can't be spent on education, energy (electricity/gas are restricted for 14 hours a day in a boiling hot country) and all the important things THAT ACTUALLY PROMOTE LIBERALISM AND REDUCE ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENT. Pakistan are by far the greatest sufferers of terrorism in the world. We've had one large scale attack in July 2005. Those happen monthly or even weekly at times in Pakistan.

Iraq war - an illegal war dividing Iraq causing 500,000 deaths and much more suffering with ISIS now exploiting the power vacuum.

Israel/Palestine - obvious

etc

Of course these people hate America and why shouldn't they? The people have elected governments who claim to be moral brokers yet act hideously. Most don't support attacks on civilians still. But Western foreign policy is absolutely disastrous and never prove successful. Education and dealing with poverty would lower those numbers immensely as well.

And the fact remains that terrorists are a very small population of the 1.whatever billion Muslims in the world.

So, let me get this straight, because of the actions of a few people in US Government you're willing to condone suicide attacks on their innocent citizens?

Ha, and you Muslims call us the bigots! "Ohh no our poor innocent people were killed, let's retaliate and kill your innocent people!!!"

Too good. 20-40% is not a small percentage of these heavily populated Muslim countries... your head is in the sand. As always.

The US has attacked/pressurised/manipulated lots of these countries. These views are all due to politics.

Take Pakistan. 30 years ago the US collaborated with an unelected Islamist dictator to create the beginnings of the Taliban in one of their largest funding projects ever through Islamisation in madrassas, training and arming in order to fight the Soviets, subsequently creating a generation of terrorists to fight for jihad (resisting foreign occupation - something which the UN allows). Benazir Bhutto, the next elected leader of Pakistan told Bush sr that the US must stop these tactics as they are creating a Frankenstein... she was right.

The US forget about this entire infrastructure until 9/11, then give Pakistan an ultimatum which they cannot afford to lose. Drone attacks, a shift in 180 degree shift in tactics dealing with these ungoverned regions and the Taliban declared jihad on Pakistani people.
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40,000 people killed through terrorism/drone attacks, a lack of sovereignty, .

all you are pointing out in the above was USA ****ed up their foergin policy choices in the first place by supporting islamists againts the russians - they had no choice they regarded russia as a more capable threat than islamists. But i agree uk should have told usa and the islamists to **** off back in the 1980s and not given pakistan any aid or military supply. then the taliban would have been a purely pakistani developed group.

At least usa has (finally) seen the light in that they no longer give pakistan any major military supply and no longer ignore their duplicitous encouraging of islamic extremism. bennazir bhutto was no saint either btw , she may not have been a fan of taliban but she allowed isi to groom various other pakistani based islamist groups.

of which about 39500 have been purely at the hands of islamic groups, groomed by pakistan for decades - so its rather thei own doing than anything usa did.

I'm not saying Pakistan didn't do anything wrong. With all of the corruption and ****ed up political system, they have made mistakes. Even now the right man can't get voted in due to dodgy elections and the feudal system. Pakistan themselves should have rejected US aid and concentrated on getting their internal affairs sorted first. Only then can terrorism be stopped by winning the hearts and minds.

It was going OK before the 70s and Zia Ul-Haq, but the Taliban wouldn't have been created without Operation Cyclone and the war against the Soviets... they supported terrorism. Terrorism is terrorism. Just like the ISI is claimed to. Bhutto didn't have much control over the military/ISI - they have lots of their own power.

That 40,000 would be zero without the flawed approach to tackling terrorism, so how it is certainly not their own doing alone. They used to live and let live. The terrorists turned against America due to their foreign policy towards Muslim-dominated countries, which they subsequently continued. There is no way you can win the war by bombing the entire NWFP. Pakistan were reluctant to do this and now we are seeing why.

pakistans problems have nothing to do with the USA- apart from them increasing the arms of the islamsits in the 1980s. it laready has powerful islamist influence ( funded by the isi and ultimatley the gulf arab states) they are funded sunni islamists who are told to kill of shias ( jsut like IS)

add to that various tribal regions that dont want to be part of pakistan or arab control ( balouchistan, northern alliance for example.

the current numbers are simply a result of successive pakistani governmetns dabbling in islamic terrorism for their own agendas - so who is to blame for that, not the usa. the usa are bombing islamsits because they have been hiding out there for 30 years, so they have no choice - they should have bombed pakistan back in 2001, not just afganistan

'Collateral damage' is all good and this has worked a treat so far, right?

The Taliban attacked Pakistan because Pakistan supported US attacks on them because the US gave them no choice (Bush). So yes, the US did have a influence.

Terrorism has more to do with politics than anything else. Why create 2x as many terrorists for each one killed? A military solution is not always the right way. Look at Iraq!

So, where to start?

Where did I condone 'suicide attacks on their innocent citizens'. I am not even talking about myself.

I'll repeat myself seeing as though you can't read and just want to spread hatred. I said I didn't blame them for resenting the US.. the country humiliating these countries with no regard treating these countries like ****. What would you suggest these people do? Don't just say those Muslims are evil... go and suggest something.

About 56-57 people, plenty of whom were Muslim, have died from Islamic terrorism in the UK by the actions of literally about 6 lone wolfs. Is this enough reason to hate Muslims. This has alienised 1000s of young, angry men, many with an identity crisis looking for a cause. What about the other 90+% who suffer the consequences on the street? It doesn't by any means condone civilian attacks, but how often has that happened? It's unfortunately not very hard to do, yet is not a matter of national crisis. Many have been radicalised and fight for ISIS - all young and malleable.

Overseas, the illegal Iraq War alone killed over 100,000 Iraqi (only) civilians and look at the place now! Without the foreign policy, there wouldn't be any hate for America. What else do these people do? Palestine is barely even recognised, Pakistan has a terrorist threat 1000x that of Britain (+ economic crisis and little education) even though we claim are frightened after 1 terrible attack and a crazy economic crisis, Iraq has been torn apart, as have Syria and Yemen... Indonesia etc are worrying about what will happen next both with the threat of Islamic terrorism that Muslims suffer 99% of the consequences from as well as future Western foreign policy which could ruin their homelands.

Actions by a few in the US government? No... a Western government is a democratically elected representative body for the entire country. Terrorists are not elected. That's more than those supporting attacks on the US and 1,000,000x those who act upon it, despite the fact that the entire country is 'educated' with little reason for resentment other than media and government portrayal of Muslims. Add to the fact they made the terrorism problem in the first place!

Us Brits, Americans etc are voting for governments and not acting against the way they kill citizens and do nothing for the issues in the world, yet claim to have such great values. The War on Terror is a blatant pretext for global domination - how cynical is that?!

And where does it say that I am even religious in anyway?

I mean, look at this thread for goodness sake. Stop acting as though we are victims. What have Muslims ever done to you?!