EU should become a superstate

1) identities are not created by states. they are created by societies. they're like languages; do you think governments establish what words mean? or do you think people collectively decide these matters in a given region? if you think governments do or should create cultures, then that's nothing but the advocacy of cultural indoctrination/engineering which is an authoritarian concept which has little consideration for the concept of human free will.
2) first of all, you didn't even try to disagree when I said it would remove national parliaments so I can't help but assume you're agreeing with that fact. secondly, the fact that you're even attempting to portray us integrating with god-awful economies like romania, bulgaria, serbia (etc) is hilarious - we benefit from trading with them and competing with them, not sharing their awfulness.
3) wow. you're in favour of invading the middle east. why? what would be the point? we trade with the middle east - we benefit from their existence. why do you want their people to die? why do you want *our* people to die fighting to invade them? do you not believe in the concept of national sovereignty? if you don't respect their national sovereignty, does that mean you believe that it is fair that countries like china, russia, india (etc) should invade us if they have the egotistical and neo-conservative interests to do so?

The EU becoming a single state is possibly the worst idea ever. National sovereignty is far too important to be destroyed for a pointless political project like a "United States of Europe". All that would do is transfer yet more power to an unaccountable political "elite", which is bad enough at the moment.

You cannot impose a one size fits all policy on a whole continent with many different countries, languages, cultures, economies, etc. It is just not possible. And let's be honest, you would have to impose it because such a move would face massive resistance. It would certainly not have "majority" support, as I have seen the OP claim it would somewhere in this thread.

1) Very few people actually identify as British now except when filling things in, they know very little about its culture. The political system determines the educational system, which determines how people see themselves in many respects.
2) First, it won't remove national Parliaments so I don't need to address that. Second integrating with awful economies is not hilarious, they need time to develop before they benefit us, but they will.
3) The Middle East are barbarians who do not treat their citizens with respect.





Yes because nationalism has worked brilliantly for the last 200 years.

first of all, who are you speak for him? but either way:

1) you aren't actually diagreeing with me in terms of identity; I said there was no such thing as "european identity", not anything to do with british english, welsh etc identity. my first message on this thread was explaining how we have different cultures, different languages, different politics, etc
2) well *he* seemed to be implying that. and integrating with them *will* detriment us, then? and how many hundreds of years will it take to see any benefits?
3) invading the middle east is not only an act of imperialism/aggression, which we in the west have now recognised as negative/illiberal, but it would cost trillions of pounds. why should we invade them when it will cost millions of european lives? or the causing of a third/nuclear war?
4) nationalism =/= fascism

Yes because nationalism has worked brilliantly for the last 200 years.

There's nothing wrong with nationalism itself. And it is not extremist to want a sovereign country to remain sovereign and retain democratic control of its own affairs. A United States of Europe is simply not compatible with the diverse countries, languages, cultures, etc of Europe, and it is not compatible with democracy.

I sense that this is a thinly veiled reference to the Nazis, which was basically extremist nationalism combined with racism and authoritarianism. If that is what you are referring to, I would like to point out that it was basically an attempt by a European country to remove the sovereignty of lots of sovereign states.

Did you forget about WW1? Franco-Prussian wars? It's completely different, Europe has hated each others guts for centuries, we're working on it now.

The official lingua Franca of the EU is English, I should add.

The war will be with Russia. The European Superstate will form as part of propaganda and EU nationalism will rise as our existence comes under threat from Russia. We'll come together as patriotic Europeans and make Putin our bitch.

You sound like a warmongering prude who actually believes all the anti-Russian propaganda.

Why are the Faroe Islands included in your map of an EU super state? The Faroes aren't in the EU.

No I don't believe any of it. I just believe an eventual war is inevitable.

You sound like a warmongering prude who actually believes all the anti-Russian propaganda.

1) There is no such thing as a British identity anymore, so we can create a European one.
2) Hundreds of years? No
3) Actually imperialism was one of the cornerstones of liberalism in the 19th and early 20th centuries, most liberals were interventionalist.
4) True, however nationalism is backwards hogwash regardless, cultural nationalism is fine, political nationalism needs to die.

1) if we can create a european one, we can *definitely* create a british one -_-
2) how long, then?
3) no they weren't - the interventionism was conservatism and realism; if you read what bastiat and cobden wrote, you wouldn' be saying this nonsense)
4) I'm not talking much about nationalism in the sense you're talking about e.g. loving your country for no reason, I'm talking about national sovereignty and recognising that there actually is something about our country to be proud about - we lead the world in so many ways - scientifically, technologically, philosophically (at least once), somewhat economically