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Original post by Anonymous
Yeah ok i dont find that amusing somehow but yeah thats your opinion right, everyones got different thoughts about it not all people are going to be like you... like your gon' raise a voice that Muslims aren't supposed to have a relationships before marriage like love its the 21st Century times have changed no point arguing and try to clarify a fact that it isnt aloud. Juss sack it && move on like get da*** ova it.

True fking dat GOWAAAN anonymous
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Original post by porn induced coma
Slavery.
The rape of slaves.
Marital rape.
Domestic abuse.
Paedophilia
Polygamy.
Capital punishment for non offences eg sexual orientation, adultery etc.
Sexism, (general oppression and repression of women).

I would be shocked if any of this seems appropriate to you in this day and age. Because it isn't. All things that are permissible in the quran, all things against the laws of this country, and any progressive country! Times have changed.




Fam are you mad? Non of the above is permissable in the Quran. Polygamy yes. But Islamic Polygamy has certain rules and guidelines. You should educate yourself on Islam before you start blurting rubbish to others. :colondollar:

Also times have changed? The things you mentioned above still happen. Most parts of the world are corrupt but Islam is not to blame. People use it as an excuse and make up BS to justify their cruel actions. You should look into Islam. It won't be a waste of time.
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Reply 202
Original post by Drusilla
Being behind a screen isn't enough, you also use anonymous to tell that to me. :lol:

Yes, its no surprise when those who sin in their religion get angry when people point out that they're sinning. If you're not going to follow Islams rules, don't consider yourself a Muslim.



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Original post by auxja
Fam are you mad? Non of the above is permissable in the Quran. Polygamy yes. But Islamic Polygamy has certain rules and guidelines. You should educate yourself on Islam before you start blurting rubbish to others. :colondollar:

Also times have changed? The things you mentioned above still happen. Most parts of the world are corrupt but Islam is not to blame. People use it as an excuse and make up BS to justify their cruel actions. You should look into Islam. It won't be a waste of time.


The times argument does not apply to islam, as islam is a timeless religion that transcends time and culture- islam and its rules and regulations on slavery ( which can only be implemented by a 'true caliphate' not isis), polygamy, beheading, flogging, and surgical removal of the hands for theft are just as valid in the 21st century as it was inthe 7th century.

Islam is valid for all time in all places- islam teaches objective morality- "MORAL and CULTURAL RELATIVISM does NOT apply to islam". Islam transcends time.

It is clear relationships before marriage are forbidden in islam, this is for the protection of women from rape and sexual harassment from men. Segregation in general in islam is to protect women.

However I'm aware of many young muslims having such forbidden relationships, all i can say it is thier life thier choice, if they think such relationships and even pre marital sex is beneficial to them and they feel happy about it, good for them, but other muslims, devout muslims should shy away from such things.
Original post by Anonymous
Yeah ok i dont find that amusing somehow but yeah thats your opinion right, everyones got different thoughts about it not all people are going to be like you... like your gon' raise a voice that Muslims aren't supposed to have a relationships before marriage like love its the 21st Century times have changed no point arguing and try to clarify a fact that it isnt aloud. Juss sack it && move on like get da*** ova it.

LOL did you really just use the this is the 21st century line? Then why are you following Islam? That's as backwards in time as it gets. Lmao :lol:
Original post by drusilla
lol did you really just use the this is the 21st century line? Then why are you following islam? That's as backwards in time as it gets. Lmao :lol:


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Original post by Anonymous
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Your God would be displeased with you behaving like this. Please stay calm and respectful. :smile:
Some one else also reiterated that times argument/morale and cultural relativism does not apply to islam.

Original post by chemicalelement
Islam is a religion that applies to all times at all times. Did the moral laws we have now not apply 1400 years ago too? Was theft legal? Was murder allowed? No. Your argument that "times have changed" is the same nonesense people use to twist their religion so it fits in with their needs & desires.
Reply 208
Girl, i am muslim too and my boyfriend is scottish and our religion and culture is so different. No one is stopping us to talk and to love each other. At least you can talk to him. Tell your mom about it maybe she can help you. Or talk to him what you are thinking...

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Original post by Anonymous
Some one else also reiterated that times argument/morale and cultural relativism does not apply to islam.

Slavery was allowed in the past and considered the norm, now it isn't. Times have changed.
Original post by Drusilla
Slavery was allowed in the past and considered the norm, now it isn't. Times have changed.


Read the previous posts, islam transcends time, the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) sanctioned slavery due to certain conditions that may arise, which may require (islamic concept) of slavery. The Prophet (pbuh) is a role model for all times, his actions, his beliefs, his views, his rulings are valid for all times. You cannot dismiss the Prophet (pbuh) and his views, actions and rulings as a "product of his time". He and his actions transcend time.
Original post by auxja
Fam are you mad? Non of the above is permissable in the Quran. Polygamy yes. But Islamic Polygamy has certain rules and guidelines. You should educate yourself on Islam before you start blurting rubbish to others. :colondollar:

Also times have changed? The things you mentioned above still happen. Most parts of the world are corrupt but Islam is not to blame. People use it as an excuse and make up BS to justify their cruel actions. You should look into Islam. It won't be a waste of time.


I said things have changed in the progressive world, which is why we have laws against each and every single thing on that list in the democratic West. And I have looked into Islam, which is why I say what I say. You should better look into it.

Slavery: Chapter 4 (25) And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women, then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls.

The term 'whom your right hands possess' refers to slaves, as you can see, they are differentiated from free women. There's a whole thread about it: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3125275&highlight=slavery

The rape of slaves: Chapter 4 (24) And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess.

Marital rape: Chapter 2 (223) Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish.

There is also an al-Bukhari hadith that states that a woman who refuses her husband is cursed until the sun rises....unacceptable, no? And religious coercion should be classed as rape.

Domestic abuse: Chapter 4 (34) But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them.

Paedophilia: Chapter 65 (4) And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth.

Discussing the waiting period between divorce and remarriage. And of course we know how old Muhammad's favourite wife was the first time he raped her. And yes, he did rape her, because children cannot consent.

Polygamy: Chapter 4(3) then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four.

Don't care what your rules are. Also sexist, isn't it? Why can't a woman have four husbands? Don't tell me we don't have the same sexual drive, all that drivel, because I'm a woman, and I know all about sexual desire. (That entire myth was propagated by a patriarchal society that saw women as baby factories and did not care about their pleasure. Only one person needs to have fun to make a baby right?) If anything, women are a lot harder to please, giving them four husband drastically increases their chances of achieving sexual satisfaction. (Or one good man who actually cares about her pleasure, I suppose that could work too.) But it seems allah only cares about men being sexually satisfied. Seems sucky, and sexist, to me.

Capital punishment for non offences eg sexual orientation, adultery etc. This was my bad, the quran only encourages the chopping off of hands of thieves 5(38) :rolleyes: It's the hadiths that promote death to apostates, homosexuals, adulterers etc. Though 6(151) says this: And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason.

Which is why capital punishment can be applied to those things he said were an abomination.

Sexism (general oppression and repression of women). There's enough of them, I think I've already mentioned some! More: 2(282), 4(11), 4(15). Heck there's a hadith that calls women 'deficient of mind'! And there are plenty more (hell is apparently filled with women, did Mo tell you?). Tell me why a woman has to go to court to divorce her husband but her husband just needs two witnesses and to tell her that he divorces her three times?

Know your holy books. Go ahead and read them, then rationalise them in your head, because that's what your religion calls for you to do. And I will happily say that there are many reasons why the things above happen, religion is only one them. Now, you might be tempted at this point to say: well, why aren't you having a go at all religions? Simple, Islam has a big following, and it claims to be 'for all times', which means it supports things that we, in the progressive world, now find deplorable, because our relative morality has progressed to a point where we think that. Something Islam refuses to do. The Bible says deplorable things too, but by the by Christians realise that and they happily say 'that was appropriate in that time', and they dismiss the verse. Very, very few of them will claim that what is in Deuteronomy is for this day and age.

Forgive me if there are typos etc, I'm bored of typing now.
Original post by porn induced coma
Slavery.
The rape of slaves.
Marital rape.
Domestic abuse.
Paedophilia
Polygamy.
Capital punishment for non offences eg sexual orientation, adultery etc.
Sexism, (general oppression and repression of women).

I would be shocked if any of this seems appropriate to you in this day and age. Because it isn't. All things that are permissible in the quran, all things against the laws of this country, and any progressive country! Times have changed.


1) Islam is the only religion to reform slavery, slaves had rights under islam, could not be hit and could pay to free themselves etc. Only prisoners of war could become slaves under Islam, whereby it was more of an open prison
2) Slaves couldn't be raped as above their are rules for treating slaves i.e. prisoners of war
3) nope, in fact it is a husband's duty to pleasure his wife and have foreplay.
4)Peadophilia?? proof...
5)Polygamy was bought in due to large amounts of men dying in war; therefore, the men were encouraged to have more than one wife and usually they were widows as seen in the case of the prophet. Men have to be able to provide for all their wives and must be equal in terms of love and sex.
6) Adultery shouldn't really occur anyway, Islam doesn't discriminate people on sexual orientation
7) Women actually play a forefront in Islam i.e. Heaven is under the mothers feet something all muslim's know. Some countries such as Saudi Arabia oppress their women via banning females from driving without Islamic rulings or exaggerated ones anyway. Burkha isn't Islamic. Women are free to work etc as the prophet's first wife is an example of a strong willed women. Women could own things well before they did in the west. Women can keep their earnings, while men must provide for their wives.

Yh a lot of what you claimed is Islamic isn't....
Original post by Anonymous
The times argument does not apply to islam, as islam is a timeless religion that transcends time and culture- islam and its rules and regulations on slavery ( which can only be implemented by a 'true caliphate' not isis), polygamy, beheading, flogging, and surgical removal of the hands for theft are just as valid in the 21st century as it was inthe 7th century.

Islam is valid for all time in all places- islam teaches objective morality- "MORAL and CULTURAL RELATIVISM does NOT apply to islam". Islam transcends time.

It is clear relationships before marriage are forbidden in islam, this is for the protection of women from rape and sexual harassment from men. Segregation in general in islam is to protect women.

However I'm aware of many young muslims having such forbidden relationships, all i can say it is thier life thier choice, if they think such relationships and even pre marital sex is beneficial to them and they feel happy about it, good for them, but other muslims, devout muslims should shy away from such things.


Actually slavery can't occur in this day and age due to lack of a true caliphate. Only prisoner of war can become slaves so....

I wouldn't call it slavery as it is far from your normally slavery i.e. america, more of an open prison where your assigned to an individual.
Reply 214
Original post by miss Peace
I really want to go out with someone in sixth form but because of my religion and culture -I definitely stand no chance of even talking to him


It's just a phase you're going through, we all have this attraction to the opposite sex and when you don't lower your gaze... It gets stronger.
Just don't fall into the trap of the shaytan and be tempted by the fantasies you have in your head; it's never going to be good. That's why it's made haram, Allah commands things for the good and even if you can't see the benefits of it now, one day you will.

A guy is never worth trading your religion for, dating will destroy your deen.


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Original post by miss Peace
I really want to go out with someone in sixth form but because of my religion and culture -I definitely stand no chance of even talking to him


Hey, salam, you should really check this video out in shaa allah :smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CybEoP_qp4
Reply 216
Salam aleykum :smile: I watched it and he so right. But if someone want to change their religion to be muslim, we muslims should help them. Our religion is most beautiful religion!

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Original post by ridwan12
Actually slavery can't occur in this day and age due to lack of a true caliphate. Only prisoner of war can become slaves so....

I wouldn't call it slavery as it is far from your normally slavery i.e. america, more of an open prison where your assigned to an individual.


All nonsense. The concept of slavery in of it self is cruel and no human being should be treated as the property of another human. Slaves do not have free will, they are disadvantage with limited rights. If you wish to talk/respond about islamic slavery, please post here so as to not divert from this thread -
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3125275 -



Original post by Achaea
Gosh, it would be nice if we could go one single day on TSR without someone apologising for, excusing and justifying the evils of slavery, and pretending that Islamic slavery isn't as vile and inhuman as the rest. :rolleyes: Do you actually believe this nonsense you've typed? If so, I pity you. You take me as a slave and rape me after my tribe have lost a war against your vicious slave-trading mob, mate, I'll stab you and your family to death in your sleep. Not going to look like such a clever idea to keep slaves then, is it?

As for your question



I don't think anyone here or elsewhere has ever claimed that our society's morality is 'absolutely correct', so I don't know why you've dragged that in. However, I for one certainly vastly prefer what we have now to the savage barbarism of 7th-century Arabia, or what some people like to pretend is perfect, objective, divine morality. I'd rather not have to pretend that slavery is just awesome, that people who have sex with the same gender deserve to be thrown off buildings and that I deserve to be stoned to death for having sex with my boyfriends, ta very much. This to me is clearly immoral, insane and disgusting. As for you, how do you know that your beliefs are correct and moral? Because you've convinced yourself that some 7th-century hate manual is the word of god?



Original post by garfeeled
Ironically the Islamic permission of slavery caused it to become institutionalised a spread even further as well as make it harder to remove, so arguably it does encourage it.
The rights you mention aren't rights thought, a right is something that you have access to regardless, ie not requiring permission.

You say they are allowed to marry but only with permission of their master ( and in some schools could be forced to marry somebody ) so thats a privilege.

The ability to own things ( already posted a source on here stating they didn't not have the right to own things) but further you say with permission of master, so a privledge

Tell me you say prisoners of war were better served integrating into society this way. But recent history demonstrates that the return of prisoners of war to freedom doesn't harm society. German prisoners of war were return home and guess what no world war three. Further still why are women and children taken as slaves then they did not take part in the war so why should they receive the same punishment as their soldier spouses or parents. To once again repeat the other thread if you believe this to be an effective manner why not support it globally. When Germany lost world war 2 should we have divide the people into slwves and sent them to work as sex slaves. Should isreal do it to palastine. Surly given that Isis are at war with several nations then they are permit with taking the slaves of survivors and their families. What about America and and the Iraq war should we have taken the surviving children and spouses as slaves.

Unless of course you believe that taking slaves should only belong to muslims in which case you betray the disturbing superiority Islam systematily places on Muslims.


In Islam it isnt forbidden to have feelings for someone.
Obviously everyone at some point will, its just life. What it says in the Quran is to get married asap to stay away from haraam ( the forbidden) eg. intimacy
I mean if you think to yourself do I really want to the marry the person? and youre like naaaaa, then what is the point even being in a relationship, its just extra haraamness for no reason..
Reply 219
before making yourself sound oppressed, think about why your religion doesnt allow you too, do u intend to marry, boyfriends are not allowed for a good reason sis, not to make life worse for us. If u wna go out with him then go out with him, thats your own free will, but id recommend turning to religion first and increasing your faith before u make the decision, im sure things will then become alot easier for you.

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