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Original post by william walker
No. Parts of the empire like India, Middle east and parts of Africa were losing ventures at this point. However after the war Britain got a loan from Canada and the US, which it could have used to pay down its debt. It could have kept part of the Empire. It couldn't though because the Americans and Soviets didn't want Britain to keep it.


Plough through Hansard and you'll see that plans were already afoot before WW1 to reduce 'empire'

The Atlantic treaty speeded up a process that was still under way.
Dude you seriously need to move on with the times. This isn't 1912, this is 2015. No nation in Europe is a threat to Britain.
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Dear god. Give it up, ww. Your proposal is lunacy, is inconsistent with traditional British foreign policy, and would not help anybody, least of all Britain. Your 'cause' is dead.
Original post by william walker
All the territory within the black circle Britain must have sovereignty over. Why? The nations with the red dots in them are existential threats to Britain. The nations with the orange dots in them Britain must keep independent. Why? The nations with the green dots in them Britain must dominate. Why?


See above.
Original post by Ron Paul
yes a loan needs to be paid back too, the debt would not have been gone... Once you take away india, the middle east and parts of Africa most of the territories left are sporadic islands which we mostly still own.


What Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, Malta, Suez Canal, Oman, Sri Lanka, Singapore, Hong Kong, Belize and Guyana?
Original post by Raymat
Dude you seriously need to move on with the times. This isn't 1912, this is 2015. No nation in Europe is a threat to Britain.


What is will not always be.
Original post by gladders
Dear god. Give it up, ww. Your proposal is lunacy, is inconsistent with traditional British foreign policy, and would not help anybody, least of all Britain. Your 'cause' is dead.


What part of it is lunacy? You aren't making an argument, you are trolling.
Original post by SHallowvale
See above.


So Britain can be an independent nation with its security in its own hands.
Original post by william walker
What part of it is lunacy? You aren't making an argument, you are trolling.


Dominating our neighbours? Conquering Ireland? A cold war with France and Germany, nations which are among our closest allies?

Lunacy. Right there. Not trolling.
Original post by gladders
Dominating our neighbours? Conquering Ireland? A cold war with France and Germany, nations which are among our closest allies?

Lunacy. Right there. Not trolling.


Yes having manipulation over them so you can constrain their actions to what you want, so they become dependent upon you.

No manipulating Ireland so it rejoins the British state.

No cold war with anyone. Simply understanding that our main existential threads are France and Germany.
Original post by MatureStudent36
Plough through Hansard and you'll see that plans were already afoot before WW1 to reduce 'empire'

The Atlantic treaty speeded up a process that was still under way.


Having plans and doing it are two different things. The size of the Empire increased because of WW1.
Original post by william walker
Yes having manipulation over them so you can constrain their actions to what you want, so they become dependent upon you.

No manipulating Ireland so it rejoins the British state.


Oh, that's alright then, manipulating is ok :rolleyes: and for a second I thought we were the bad guys.

As asked earlier, why would we want to do this?

No cold war with anyone. Simply understanding that our main existential threads are France and Germany.


Except they aren't. They are our friends. They have no designs upon us, and we'd be considerably more secure if we continue to treat them as friends and allies.
Original post by william walker
Having plans and doing it are two different things. The size of the Empire increased because of WW1.

Congratulations, you've understood that Getmany lost her colonies post WW1.

Why are you posting rambling threads again?
Original post by Gott
Are you saying we may have to defend ourselves against Belgium? :s

No. According to the op we'll fight France and Germany in Belgium.
Original post by Gott
Why on earth? What sort of a massively incompetent historian is OP? It'll more likely be ISIS but lol


His line of thinking goes that historically we have fought france and Germany. Historically those battles have tended to be in Belgium. (Waterloo, Flanders, WW1 &ww2
Original post by MatureStudent36
Congratulations, you've understood that Getmany lost her colonies post WW1.

Why are you posting rambling threads again?


You forgot the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
Original post by gladders
Oh, that's alright then, manipulating is ok :rolleyes: and for a second I thought we were the bad guys.

As asked earlier, why would we want to do this?



Except they aren't. They are our friends. They have no designs upon us, and we'd be considerably more secure if we continue to treat them as friends and allies.


Manipulating is what is done. It isn't good or bad.

Because if Ireland isn't part of Britain it can be used by other powers to threaten Britain. The Spanish, France and Germans all used Ireland to cause problems for Britain. We must have sovereignty over Ireland.

Why can't we both be friends and allies, why knowing that those two nations could become existential threats very quickly.
Original post by Gott
Are you saying we may have to defend ourselves against Belgium? :s


No, keep Belgium independent of France and Germany.
Original post by MatureStudent36
No. According to the op we'll fight France and Germany in Belgium.


No we want Belgium and Holland to be strong and we support them against Germany and France. While they balance between France and Germany themselves. I don't want Britain spending forces into the Low Countries, France or Germany ever again. It has only worked one time and that was because of John Churchill.
Original post by Gott
Why on earth? What sort of a massively incompetent historian is OP? It'll more likely be ISIS but lol


No.

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