The supposed 'Alpha' and 'Beta' male distinction

Not necessarily...There's no such thing as "the ultimate" strongest male...They can usually be classified into categories on a full hierarchical spectrum.The idea that the physically more advantaged male would want to breed with all the females isn't solid really-passing on your genes and ensuring off-spring survival wouldn't really be successful if that were the case and really the ultimate point is to ensure the survival of your genetic progeny. Monogamous societies whereby close to ALL men get to breed is a 21st century phenomena(not a good one either). In the older days the percentage had been much closer 40 or 50...

I actually argued that the key factors required to thrive are the ones that can ensure that said male can dominate over other males( epso-facto implying a leader vs follower system) that will ensure he gets to pass on his genes...Most species will have the males competing to dominate one another in order to get that advantage and breed with the best female...

Surely though you'd suppose that men would want the ultimate estrogen-laden female(the caring softer types) and women would want the ultimate testosterone-laden male(the strong aggressive driven ones)....you still haven't answered my question though-do you believe that a girl's sexual desire for her boyfriend will stay the same after she'd seen him get beat up?

Evidence of this?

Read some articles on this ages ago that I can't find right now but here's google XD

"Citing recent DNA research, Dr. Baumeister explained that today's human population is descended from twice as many women as men. Maybe 80 percent of women reproduced, whereas only 40 percent of men did."


​There's definitely a case to be made that wars/harsh conditions/disease/etc ensured that only the strongest got to breed.

Sure. Historically I'm sure that was true but probably not for a good millenia since men were either dead, men of commerce or soldiers, the later two in civilizations that did not grant women power would have had no problem.

I believe that's called buying yourself the power(i.e. status amongst other men)...Very similar to women undergoing plastic surgery or even attaining advanced makeup skills(think contouring and such).
The basic principle however,is that women prefer the males that dictate over other males(kind of like men prefer beautiful women over ugly ones)....
Surely you don't actually believe that your average "nerdy polite" guy would be able to hold on to his girlfriend(on a basic attraction level at least) should she ever take notice of the fear in his eyes in the event of a confrontation with a stronger bigger non-nerdy male....right?You don't actually think she'll still "want" him after saaaay he got beat up in front of her....right?

Society(/cultural norms) has (/have)nothing to do with biological hard-wiring. Men are hard-wired to prefer beautiful/youthful/etc women...Women are hard-wired to prefer men who can dominate other men(through whatever means necessary)...

To some extent(I suppose as long as said nerdy stemer manages to hold himself from any other kind of confrontation with other males that does not involve him being...you know...his nerdy-self)...

The point of this thread however is that the whole "alpha-beta thing" is actually very well grounded into the actual world...The irony was that you involved yourself into it by arguing that it wasn't legitimate and used the fact that the current social makeup allows *some weaker males to artificially buy themselves the status as proof...You kind of proved it right,to an extent...

Monogamous societies whereby close to ALL men get to breed is a 21st century phenomena(not a good one either). In the older days the percentage had been much closer 40 or 50...

I actually argued that the key factors required to thrive are the ones that can ensure that said male can dominate over other males( epso-facto implying a leader vs follower system) that will ensure he gets to pass on his genes...Most species will have the males competing to dominate one another in order to get that advantage and breed with the best female...

Surely though you'd suppose that men would want the ultimate estrogen-laden female(the caring softer types) and women would want the ultimate testosterone-laden male(the strong aggressive driven ones)....you still haven't answered my question though-do you believe that a girl's sexual desire for her boyfriend will stay the same after she'd seen him get beat up?

This is what I expect from someone with no humility. Have fun in your warped perception perception of the world that you use as a defense for your inadequacies.

In other words. Carry on with societies perception of being "Alpha".

Why would I waste my any of my time developing unnecessary qualities like humility?

Do you want to be truly alpha? Or young societies skewed view of what alpha is, Essentially beta?

So, after browsing through several threads, i've come across a somewhat simplistic method of defining men of either being an 'alpha' or 'beta'.

One of the main points, as it appears, seems to be that an 'alpha' will be confident despite any sort of complexities belonging to the state of the relationship between male and female (the distinction between 'alpha' and beta' doesn't seem to be any clearer as it comes to same-sex relationships). The reverse of that has also been speculated to be a defining feature of 'beta'.

What are your thoughts on this 'alpha' and 'beta' distinction?

Is it coherent and can it adequately satisfy the characteristics of men into two camps?

Or are those who endorse that distinction, male and female, relying on a less sophisticated account of people in regards to romantic relationships?

oh, because you're obviously the authority on what it means to be alpha

Combat instructor. Doesn't get more classically alpha then that. Not that I would class myself under one of the labels. I am grounded. Much better description.

good job brah, hope your parents are proud of you

Alpha males are better looking, richer, taller, more muscular, more confident, can easily talk to girls and seduce them, they get sex very easily and never have trouble finding a girl.

Beta males are shorter, less attractive, (skinny /or fat), poorer, they're shy, can't talk to girls, they're afraid of girls and they don't get sex and they end up becoming frustrated and alone.

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What advice would you give a 'beta male' like me?