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Having a job vs. studying: which is better?

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Original post by Ronove
Try studying in a country that pays you to do so instead. :awesome:

NB: Still waiting for this to actually become reality, will be very happy when it finally does


Waiting for what to become reality?
Countries paying salary to students? In undergrad?
Original post by Abdul-Karim
Who the hell wants to study?





A lot of people are desperate to study. It's really telling, reading this thread, to see how many young people take their education for granted. People bemoan state schools and teaching quality etc in the UK but when you look at the bigger picture there are children all over the world who cannot even read or write at a basic level and have no chance of dragging themselves out of poverty. We should be grateful for the education system we have and the opportunity to take full advantage of it and continue to college/university.

Also, mature students are rather keen to go back to education in order to make career changes or take advantage of opportunities that they didn't have when they were younger.

Edit:

In answer to the thread title, having both been a student and worked - I would choose studying every time. So much so that I'm going back to do a second degree. You've got your whole life to work - most of us won't retire until our 70's and unless you're super passionate about your job and paid enough to actually enjoy your life outside of work (beyond paying the rent/mortgage/car/bills) then that isn't something to look forward to. There's always something new to learn as a student whereas work can quickly become routine and monotonous.
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Original post by silverbolt
for the last 18 months ive been doing both and its a bloody killer


Same with me, studying for a professional qualification whilst working full time is not fun.
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Original post by IWantToBeThere
PhD is a route to an end. If you can do the job you want in industry without a PhD, why go back to graduate school?


An ending to? Education never ends, be it after university or in the work place.

A PhD is a certification recognising that the person is capable of doing research and has specialised in a specific field (to the point of having contributing, probably a microscopic input in the current domain of knowledge).

Some people go to graduate school for various reasons e.g. to better understand their fields, extending their prior knowledge, foundation for a PhD, getting a raise and some people just do it for the prestige of the programme in order to gain an advantage in the corporate world (MBA?)
Original post by vee_wuvshugs
For me studying because I like learning and it will lead me to big money jobs (MONEY!!! :h:)

I wouldn't like having a job right now, honestly can't think of anything that would be worth my time.

pharmacy aint a money racket these days hun
Original post by Abdul-Karim
Who the hell wants to study?


I like my subjects and I like studying them :P
Original post by Tillybop
I enjoy learning about new things, and I always thought I would be someone who went to Uni, and became an academic afterwards. Then I went into work. I loved doing actual work, getting paid for it. That first job - the first wage pack - all that money! I couldn't go back to not having money.

Now, at 19, without having been to uni, I am earning a graduates wage, and I am absolutely loving it. My job is one that opens many doors for me, and it's also a job where I'm happy to put in the extra work, to get as much as I can out of it. I have so much choice - I could potentially look to study part time alongside full time work, but I'd much rather just learn as much as I can - and I have the freedom to learn about any subject I want to, without paying for anything more than the books. So I prefer working, because I can still expand my knowledge. :h:


How did you even set up your own coffee shop?
Original post by trustmeimlying1
pharmacy aint a money racket these days hun

Who says I'm going to stick with pharmacy? :tongue:
Original post by somethingbeautiful



A lot of people are desperate to study. It's really telling, reading this thread, to see how many young people take their education for granted. People bemoan state schools and teaching quality etc in the UK but when you look at the bigger picture there are children all over the world who cannot even read or write at a basic level and have no chance of dragging themselves out of poverty. We should be grateful for the education system we have and the opportunity to take full advantage of it and continue to college/university.

Also, mature students are rather keen to go back to education in order to make career changes or take advantage of opportunities that they didn't have when they were younger.

Edit:

In answer to the thread title, having both been a student and worked - I would choose studying every time. So much so that I'm going back to do a second degree. You've got your whole life to work - most of us won't retire until our 70's and unless you're super passionate about your job and paid enough to actually enjoy your life outside of work (beyond paying the rent/mortgage/car/bills) then that isn't something to look forward to. There's always something new to learn as a student whereas work can quickly become routine and monotonous.


Well said.
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Original post by somethingbeautiful


Also, mature students are rather keen to go back to education in order to make career changes or take advantage of opportunities that they didn't have when they were younger.

Edit:

In answer to the thread title, having both been a student and worked - I would choose studying every time. So much so that I'm going back to do a second degree. You've got your whole life to work - most of us won't retire until our 70's and unless you're super passionate about your job and paid enough to actually enjoy your life outside of work (beyond paying the rent/mortgage/car/bills) then that isn't something to look forward to. There's always something new to learn as a student whereas work can quickly become routine and monotonous.


What you mentioned here is specific to some mature students; not all of them are keen to go back to education knowing full well the financial risk they'd be taking or have any interest left on structured education.

Within certain industries, your continuous working experience may play a role in getting a raise or getting your next job so staying in education for too long could be a disadvantage in this sense.
Work can be deadly monotonous and routine but so is education; the only difference is one is living in a bubble of structures and rules and another is profits and revenues.
Original post by kka25
What you mentioned here is specific to some mature students; not all of them are keen to go back to education knowing full well the financial risk they'd be taking or have any interest left on structured education.


I know, I'm one of those mature students :smile:. I'm less enthusiastic about the whole thing than when I was 18 and embarking on my first degree but I'm also acutely aware that I'm extremely fortunate to do a second degree and have the opportunity to change paths. The financial/academic/personal strains of returning to rigorous study, for me, outweigh the prospect of staying in work which is unfulfilling and doesn't pay enough to live comfortably. So I still choose education over a job even though I'm not the kind of mature student who is going back to uni to study something for pleasure with no financial worries etc.


Original post by kka25
Within certain industries, your continuous working experience may play a role in getting a raise or getting your next job so staying in education for too long could be a disadvantage in this sense.


That's true but often those industries are not well paid. You can work your way up the ranks fairly quickly in fast food chains, some retail companies and admin jobs but the pay at the top isn't all that great and job security isn't either. I used to work for a well know retailer after I graduated and having been with them for 12 months I was told I would be considered for the supervisory position. I was made redundant with no opportunity for a transfer within weeks when the company collapsed. Because of the nature of the collapse of the company (i.e the front line workers are kept in the dark until the 11th hour) I had no chance of finding new employment before it was too late.

I was lucky because I was 20-something with zero responsibilities so I could afford to be unemployed but other people I worked with had to re-mortgage their homes/move cities/had kids to look after.
It had never happened to them before. No one believes it will ever happen to them, so most people don't think about it or put things in place to prevent it, but I experienced it very young and it taught me a great lesson. You cannot be dependent on a company. Yes they pay your wages, and in that sense you are dependent, but you also need to be able to stand on your own two feet without them - and that means having a skill that you can quickly take elsewhere even at short notice. That means getting qualified in something useful. Anyone can sell t-shirts, coffee, CD's, insurance etc and employers know it - they can let go of/replace people indefinitely.

So I'd advise young people to get a particular qualification that they can take with them and not rely on any company for their continued success- they need to rely on their own skill. It's good to have a trade or a profession - that involves study. Working your way up is honorable, but ultimately, you will be dispensable. If you have a trade to take elsewhere, or a professional qualification that is in demand then life will be much more financially secure in the long run.

Original post by kka25
Work can be deadly monotonous and routine but so is education; the only difference is one is living in a bubble of structures and rules and another is profits and revenues


I agree to an extent but as structured and bubble-like as education can be, it can lead to a better paid and more stable form work. Also, ultimately most work, I agree, is about profits/revenues but having worked in a classroom and now going onto pursue an NHS career - in a lot of roles you don't sense that drive for profit, you have more of a sense of making a difference. So it really depends on what job you end up in/choose and you have more control over that with a decent education.
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They both have positives and negatives so I think I would rather a bit of both than have to pick one or the other.

I currently work 9-5:30 Monday-Friday. It's great getting home from work and not having to think about it until the next day but I usually waste my evenings as I'm too tired to do anything. I also hate that I can't go to the doctors/dentist etc without booking time off work and the only time I can get my car fixed/hair cut etc is Saturday morning.

I really liked the flexibility of being a student at uni. I did a course with low contact hours which meant I could do as little or as much work outside those as I wanted. I also liked that classes were optional (as long as we didn't miss more than 3 seminars). What I didn't like about studying was all the deadlines though. It was hard to enjoy Christmas holidays when you had exams coming up in January and I always felt a bit guilty if I took a break from studying.
It was a lot harder being a student at school though. Long days, homework and independent work is not fun.
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Original post by somethingbeautiful
I know, I'm one of those mature students :smile:. I'm less enthusiastic about the whole thing than when I was 18 and embarking on my first degree but I'm also acutely aware that I'm extremely fortunate to do a second degree and have the opportunity to change paths. The financial/academic/personal strains of returning to rigorous study, for me, outweigh the prospect of staying in work which is unfulfilling and doesn't pay enough to live comfortably. So I still choose education over a job even though I'm not the kind of mature student who is going back to uni to study something for pleasure with no financial worries etc.


I had the same perspective years ago but that all change due to some life changes.


That's true but often those industries are not well paid. You can work your way up the ranks fairly quickly in fast food chains, some retail companies and admin jobs but the pay at the top isn't all that great and job security isn't either.


In a sense it's true that some of those industries are not well paid and I'm probably lucky (no, I am lucky) to be in an industry where I can ask for a better pay.

But please mind that what you're mentioning here is low-mid level jobs in a highly volatile industry so the pay is of course not that high as you've mentioned.
(on a side note, my mate and I often tell each other that if we get too stress with work, we might as well just leave our offices and just apply for a job at McDonalds; at least we can get free ice-creams!)


I used to work for a well know retailer after I graduated and having been with them for 12 months I was told I would be considered for the supervisory position. I was made redundant with no opportunity for a transfer within weeks when the company collapsed. Because of the nature of the collapse of the company (i.e the front line workers are kept in the dark until the 11th hour) I had no chance of finding new employment before it was too late.


What a horrible thing to go through! I'm sorry to hear that. The likeliness of this happening to me is low to medium at the moment but there are still risks hence that's why savings for me is important.


I was lucky because I was 20-something with zero responsibilities so I could afford to be unemployed but other people I worked with had to re-mortgage their homes/move cities/had kids to look after.
It had never happened to them before. No one believes it will ever happen to them, so most people don't think about it or put things in place to prevent it, but I experienced it very young and it taught me a great lesson. You cannot be dependent on a company. Yes they pay your wages, and in that sense you are dependent, but you also need to be able to stand on your own two feet without them - and that means having a skill that you can quickly take elsewhere even at short notice. That means getting qualified in something useful. Anyone can sell t-shirts, coffee, CD's, insurance etc and employers know it - they can let go of/replace people indefinitely.


I can relate well with what you've written here. Assuming the place I work went out of business, at least I can tell myself that I'm still single with no commitments whatsoever; others have mortgages, loans and other things to pay which are not applicable to me so I'm grateful for that.


So I'd advise young people to get a particular qualification that they can take with them and not rely on any company for their continued success- they need to rely on their own skill. It's good to have a trade or a profession - that involves study. Working your way up is honorable, but ultimately, you will be dispensable. If you have a trade to take elsewhere, or a professional qualification that is in demand then life will be much more financially secure in the long run.


One's trade is important and can't be stressed enough be it getting from the industry or the education sector.
Uni lifestyle is just stupidly easy. If I'd actually studied at Uni I would prefer work though.
Original post by vee_wuvshugs
Who says I'm going to stick with pharmacy? :tongue:

nosey question: did you come from a low income family:?

secondly what industry then?
Original post by kka25
An ending to? Education never ends, be it after university or in the work place.A PhD is a certification recognising that the person is capable of doing research and has specialised in a specific field (to the point of having contributing, probably a microscopic input in the current domain of knowledge).Some people go to graduate school for various reasons e.g. to better understand their fields, extending their prior knowledge, foundation for a PhD, getting a raise and some people just do it for the prestige of the programme in order to gain an advantage in the corporate world (MBA?)
What I'm saying is that if you need a PhD to qualify for the job you want to do, usually being a researcher, then you need to do a PhD. If not, I assume most people would say it's not wise to do a PhD merely because you want to know more about the subject duo to opportunity costs. PhD's are long and require dedication and stipends are not comparable to jobs outside uni.
Original post by trustmeimlying1
nosey question: did you come from a low income family:?

secondly what industry then?

answer for nosey question: Nope, just normal I guess and why would you ask? :s-smilie:

Pharmaceuticals?
Job
Original post by vee_wuvshugs
answer for nosey question: Nope, just normal I guess and why would you ask? :s-smilie:

Pharmaceuticals?
Ive just noticed its often the kid from a poor background thats hungry for money most

ah.good luck.
Original post by IWantToBeThere
What did you study?


Biology, Chemistry, Philosophy and French at A-level. Took two years out to work.

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