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How to stop people doing pointless degrees

I know a lot of people like to take art, psychology, sociology, geography, history, English, economics at Unis like Manchester met. So my idea is that we should lower the amount we pay for uni but everyone has to pay - no matter how much their salary is after they have left uni. This could discourage people to do the pointless degrees above.

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I don't think there's really any pointless degree; as long as it can enable you to do something with your life, I guess it works...And I don't think that'd work to prevent people from doing those degrees you call pointless. Instead, I think it'd encourage or pressure them into aiming for well-paying jobs which can be seen as a good or bad thing. But idk, just my opinion...:smile:
Pointless - having little or no sense, use, or purpose.

All degrees have a point.
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The government could limit the places on these courses like they do for medicine?


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That awkward moment when these people will be more succesful than you.
Original post by DiddyDec
Pointless - having little or no sense, use, or purpose.

All degrees have a point.


Original post by Abdul-Karim
That awkward moment when these people will be more succesful than you.

If they're so successful then they should remove the rule that you need above a certain salary to pay your loan back?
Original post by BioStudentx
If they're so successful then they should remove the rule that you need above a certain salary to pay your loan back?


How do you define a pointless degree?
Original post by DiddyDec
How do you define a pointless degree?

Not Stem or Oxbridge.
Original post by BioStudentx
If they're so successful then they should remove the rule that you need above a certain salary to pay your loan back?


There's various other reasons that people don't earn above a certain starting salary. It doesn't affect you so I'm unsure as to why you're concerned.

Given you're so full of yourself, why not see it as an advantage that there are less worthy opponents is the graduate job market.
Original post by BioStudentx
I know a lot of people like to take art, psychology, sociology, geography, history, English, economics at Unis like Manchester met. So my idea is that we should lower the amount we pay for uni but everyone has to pay - no matter how much their salary is after they have left uni. This could discourage people to do the pointless degrees above.


Who are you to say someone else's degree is 'less than' another (yours I presume?:rolleyes: )

And why does it bother you. It could even be argued those on 'pointless degrees' actually fund traditional subjects due to their lower cost bases, lack of need for specialist equipment etc, as they still pay the same amount.
Original post by BioStudentx
Not Stem or Oxbridge.


Ah, you need to get yourself some good education.
Original post by BioStudentx
Not Stem or Oxbridge.


What a ridiculous statement.
Original post by BioStudentx
I know a lot of people like to take art, psychology, sociology, geography, history, English, economics at Unis like Manchester met. So my idea is that we should lower the amount we pay for uni but everyone has to pay - no matter how much their salary is after they have left uni. This could discourage people to do the pointless degrees above.



I think a much more important issue is- How to stop people creating endless stupid threads where they belittle others and make broad and stupid generalisations about the value of things when clearly they are suffering from a superiority complex :smile:

How about you study Stem if you want to and other people with different but equally useful skills study what they want to
Original post by askew116
Who are you to say someone else's degree is 'less than' another (yours I presume?:rolleyes: )

And why does it bother you. It could even be argued those on 'pointless degrees' actually fund traditional subjects due to their lower cost bases, lack of need for specialist equipment etc, as they still pay the same amount.

But they don't always pay the loan back because they end up poor and with a ****e degree.
Original post by BioStudentx
Not Stem or Oxbridge.


People who believe this are pathetic. How many people in top jobs have non-science based, and non-Oxbridge degrees? At least as many, if not more, as those who do. If you want to do well, you can do so without requiring the two above conditions.
Original post by Paralove
People who believe this are pathetic. How many people in top jobs have non-science based, and non-Oxbridge degrees? At least as many, if not more, as those who do. If you want to do well, you can do so without requiring the two above conditions.

Okay you can do well - so that means EVERYONE has to pay their uni fees then. I think it's unfair that there is a salary limit to paying back the loans.
Original post by BioStudentx
Not Stem or Oxbridge.


That's ridiculous. There are lots of good unis that aren't Oxbridge - UCL, Durham, Edinburgh and Imperial just to name a few. And not everyone wants to do STEM subjects, while if everyone did do STEM subjects, it would hardly be great. There would be no law students, so far less future lawyers. There wouldn't be any English students, so far less future English teachers. The list goes on.

Doing a STEM subject at Oxbridge doesn't suddenly make you ultimately superior compared to someone doing law at KCL, or English at Manchester. And while the ex-polytechnics, such as Manchester Met., clearly aren't going to top the league tables any time soon, it certainly doesn't make a degree pointless.
Original post by BioStudentx
Okay you can do well - so that means EVERYONE has to pay their uni fees then. I think it's unfair that there is a salary limit to paying back the loans.


Graduates typically earn more than non-graduates, so most people are going to pass the £21k mark. If you take away the boundary, you make university so much more unaffordable for thousands of students. You'll get a drop in people applying, which reduces the funding to the university, which in turn will likely increase fees to compensate. If you have any idea about cost of living and standard tax etc, you would understand why there is a boundary in the first place. The assumption is that in going to university, you'll have a better job than if you hadn't.
Original post by BioStudentx
But they don't always pay the loan back because they end up poor and with a ****e degree.


You're confusing the university's with the government; even if 'they' don't pay back the student loan, the uni doesn't care as it's already had the money from the government, so my point still stands that many humanities subjects subsidise many stem subjects.

The government sees providing student loans as an investment in its citizens, and ultimately the country as a whole. Like all investments, not all of them prove to perform; that's simply how investment works. That doesn't mean the investments aren't worth making, as some will outperform the initial investment by a large factor - I'm not talking about paying all the loan back, though of course they would, but go on to earn megabucks, and paying more in taxes (unless they ship it offshore somewhere :biggrin: )
Original post by doctorwhofan98
That's ridiculous. There are lots of good unis that aren't Oxbridge - UCL, Durham, Edinburgh and Imperial just to name a few. And not everyone wants to do STEM subjects, while if everyone did do STEM subjects, it would hardly be great. There would be no law students, so far less future lawyers. There wouldn't be any English students, so far less future English teachers. The list goes on.

Doing a STEM subject at Oxbridge doesn't suddenly make you ultimately superior compared to someone doing law at KCL, or English at Manchester. And while the ex-polytechnics, such as Manchester Met., clearly aren't going to top the league tables any time soon, it certainly doesn't make a degree pointless.

English is pointless. Take the Shakespeare bull**** out of the curriculum and just teach students how to argue, persuade and write. We don't need to analyse how red curtains foreshadow the death of his mum or some BS like that. And yes we would have lawyers, because students are graduating from Oxbridge every year. And yes, doing a STEM subject at Oxbridge does make you superior to doing a English degree at Manchester.

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