MI5 and police partly to blame for radicalisation – say four in 10 British Muslims

So you are against the freedom to believe? Why shove your views down peoples' throats? That's radical.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11526430/MI5-and-police-partly-to-blame-for-radicalisation-say-four-in-10-British-Muslims.html

How about Islam is to blame with Islamic radicalization? Or should we just ignore that?

When 4 out of every 10 British Muslims think people like of Mohammed Emwazi were radicalized by the British state, we know there is a very dire problem. Even more worryingly, 1 in 7 British Muslims believe the “values of British society” are not compatible with those of their religion.

Or is pointing this out "Islamophopbic"?

How about we blame the perpetrators and not the victims? I wonder how many good Allah fearing Muslims have gone to Syria this week?

Mohammed Emwazi was proven to be non-religious during his time at school. This proves that religion alone does not alienate someone.

Also, 1 in 7, yet you act as though it's 100%.

And how are MI5/the police the 'victims'? The victims are all in Muslim countries themselves, something which you couldn't care less about especially as you think there was nothing wrong with the Iraq War...

I'm not religion but I respect their right to believe in 'silly fairy tales' because it's none of my business. Their 'sky fairy' also taught them not to kill anybody and to live by the law of the land.

Again, you do not believe in the freedom to believe and you clearly want it banned. Otherwise, you are a nasty human being. Either way, do you seriously not have better things to do?

Oh so because somebody was not religious at school, that means they will never ever be religious. Great logic! I also have to tell you that he was religious at school. Sorry to burst your bubble.

1 in 7 is a lot of people given the amount of Muslims in this country. Its hundreds of thousands of Muslims.

Your last point is complete nonsense. There are victims in Europe, the USA and in the middle east. For example 9/11 was 2 whole years before Iraq. Save your vile waterboutary for Isoc meeting.

I reckon it's the increased exposure to the likes of Anjem Chodary (Not even got any merit to preach on Islam), bad parenting and not integrating with others in society.

Coming from a Muslim.

Haha no, Islam has commanded its followers to kill on several occasions within the Quran and in some hadiths. You are wrong.

I would not like Islam to be banned. I would like people not to follow it as its a vile ideology, but we can not ban an idea - it won't get rid of it.

1 - he drank and smoke. Why would he suddenly become religious?
2 - 1 in 7 believe MI5 and the police helped to alienate him. You may disagree, but how would you know? It's not an unacceptable opinion by any stretch.
3 - you talked about victim blaming. MI5/police are not victims. And 90+% of terrorism related deaths still take place in Muslim countries.
4 - I'm not Muslim.

Try again.

MI5 are actually recruiting Arabic speaking British Muslims to spy on other Muslims

1) He was a Muslim. He believed in the "prophet" Muhammad and the existence of Allah. Just because he didn't follow Islamic teachings when he was young and was a bad Muslim still doesn't mean he wasn't religious. He identified as a muslim.
2) The police and MI5 only found out about Jihadi John after he tried to join Al Shebaab. He was already radicalised before the state got hold of him.
3) A couple of policemen and intelligence service agents have been killed fighting Islamism. Yes they are. As are we all.
4) Don't particularly care. You are an apologist and a sympathiser. You are part of the problem. If you don't like Britain and the security services, **** off to a country you do like.

1 - so has Christianity... and no I am not wrong that the Qu'ran says explicitly not to harm others and to live by the law of the land.
2 - that doesn't make sense.
3 - why not just be respectful of others views?
4 - why are you a ****?

MI5 are actually recruiting Arabic speaking British Muslims to spy on other Muslims

This thread is bound to make the scum of TSR unite in hate.

EDIT: Ah, it already has.

So 4/10 say they had a part to play. That doesn't mean 4/10 are radical. It probably means they acknowledge a role, no matter how small. And that is justifiable. Radicalisation and terrorism is usually based on political factors... meaning that identity comes into play. Not feeling British and subsequent bitterness due to restricted upbringings, feeling unwelcome, failing in British society etc. makes you want to attach to something for novelty purposes. Mohammed Emwazi has been brought up here... you would say he was a king 'cherry-picker' of Islam. So if he wasn't that religious originally, what made him want to go against British interests? Now, MI5 and the police may or may not have played a major role in that and I personally don't believe that they did. But what the generally may be eluding to is this issue of not feeling part of Britain, which has a whole host of factors attributing it.

Well who else would they recruit to do it?