Homosexuality - biological, or a choice?

when i say natural, i mean biolically. as i have said a number of times, there is a design behind our reproductive organs. its like having a ps4, and using the controller upside down... Thats not how your supposed to use it!

You don't get it. Im referring to paedophilia as a feeling or an urge, where older people are attracted to much younger people.

What you are referring to is basically when paedophilia crosses the boundaries of rape: ie when someone decides to have sex with someone under a certain age, who cannot consent on the act.

This is the stark difference between homosexuality/heterosexuality and paedophilic acts. The former are the result of pure consent, whilst the latter is the exact opposite.

Don't forget: paedophilia as a word means "love for youth". What you're referring to is mostly paraphilia.

As for your last point, I actually think it's the exact opposite. If someone is abused when s/he's a child, s/he'll not want to inflict the same pain that s/he had to suffer on others. This is emotional though, and has nothing to do with one's sexuality.

It is a 100% something people are born with (though environmental circumstances may affect how profound it is in my opinion).

Proof? Homosexual people who commit suicide because their parents and society at whole hate them. If it was a choice, don't you think such people would just turn straight?

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Ok, let me play devils advocate. We all know these are horrible crimes but if gay is biological.... Does that mean peadophilia and urge to commit rape is biological?

Ignoring the obvious fallacious idea of 'design' in biology: Using you're analogy, if someone played better with the controller upside down would you say that they should not be allowed to play that way?

I was, in fact, referring to exactly what you were talking about - a feeling or an urge, not the act. I wasn't talking about having non-consensual sex with a child, just the urge to. I was agreeing with everything you said, other than the purely biological factor argument (what did I say that made you think I was against you? ).

What I was merely suggesting was that children who are abused do sometimes go onto have sexual feelings towards children (even if they don't act on them - and I'm sure lots of them don't, because of not wanting to inflict the emotional pain onto others, as you stated), which perhaps indicates that it is not purely a biological stem. Sorry if I was unclear previously.

Even if it's not a choice, that doesn't necessarily mean you're born with it.

Ahh, but i would point out to the person that the controller has grooves and a specific shape to allow you to hold it upside up; ad i would tell that person that they should use the controller the way the creator at sony intended them to use it
design is not a fallicious idea; it is a very real concept in biology. observe a horses physiological structure - it has been designed this way for running
whether you believe it from god or from evolution

this is from an evolutionary perspective

And what is it then that dictates their sexuality?
How would you explain a child that was born and raised in deeply religious, 100% anti-honosexual families and societies becoming homosexual? Obviously the environmental factors would push him to the edges to become straight, right?

Before I start I want to clarify. I have no problem when gay people, don't hate anyone or discriminate against my fellow man. To each his own.

You're not born gay. No scientific evidence to suggest that people are.(Even though eurocentric researchers are spending billions to prove people are but they will never find anything).

The reason why the suicide rate is so high with homsexuals is that most of them were victims of sexual abuse as children. Denial is at the root of mental illness. Its easy to say "I was born like this so I don't have to deal with the pain that triggered it"

There is also a clear link between homesexuality and paedophilla with sexually confused indivuals that cause harm to children. The Roman Catholic church is the perfect example of this.

All in all I believe you're not born gay. I have nothing against gay people. Couldn't care less but when you tell people information when its not factually true I have to speak up.

Not necessarily. We go through millions of environmental experiences in our lives and are all affected by them in different ways. Any one little thing that happens to you can have a butterfly effect in shaping who you eventually turn out to be.

It isn't possible to take account of every single environmental factor that someone experiences and predict what the result of it will be.

acutally, it can be analysed objectively- think of it like this; imagine someone from a tribe in afirca (who doesnt wear footwer) comes to the uk and has ever seen footwear before. if he saw and picked up a shoe without ever seeing it before, what would he think? he would look at it and compare it to his feet and think "hmm this seems familiar, i think its designed for my feet"

similarly, scientist have analysed the male and female reproductive organs, and they are made for each, like 2 sets of one piece (pencil sharpner and pencil)

just because it exists in nature, that doesnt mean its evolutionary. we cannot generalise the finding is animal studies to human beings, as their evolutionary benefits are complete different to ours (lol even though i don't believe in evolution)

I've always wanted to ask this question with a gay person, but always feel it would be very inappropriate or rude ahah. I understand the widely accepted view that it is biological, not a choice. But I ask why should it not be a choice????

All in all I believe you're not born gay. I have nothing against gay people. Couldn't care less but when you tell people information when its not factually true I have to speak up.

By that logic, being straight is 100% the result of "environmental factors"?

The fact that you referred to actual abuse made me assume it, but no matter.

I can't agree with you on that last part though, because neither have I ever met an abused child nor have I actually heard of someone abusing kids because he was abused (and I refer purely on how he was treated, genetic factors aside.)

Don't get me wrong: I have heard of many people who were abused in such ways becoming horrible persons, because obviously the emotional pain can be traumatic. However, I cannot associate abusing a child because one was abused when he was a child. Call me silly and whatnot, but I don't get the logic in this one.